Possible to trap a dragon in human form?


Advice


I am curious, if there is any way a BBEG could trap a dragon into a human form? If so how?

If the above is possible, would that female dragon who is now in a human form.

1. Be able to procreate, and thus pass some "dragon blood along" to a PC.
2. Would that human form dragon, be aging like a human? or continue to have the dragons natural long life?

Thanks I am trying to develop a plot line for PC half orc, barbarian, eventual sorceress, with dragon blood. sorceress line supports all I need for her but want the back story to match "rules" if at all possible.

I am DMing a home game with plenty of hand waving if needed :)
Thanks for your thoughts and knowledge.


oldcatnhat wrote:

I am curious, if there is any way a BBEG could trap a dragon into a human form? If so how?

If the above is possible, would that female dragon who is now in a human form.

1. Be able to procreate, and thus pass some "dragon blood along" to a PC.
2. Would that human form dragon, be aging like a human? or continue to have the dragons natural long life?

Thanks I am trying to develop a plot line for PC half orc, barbarian, eventual sorceress, with dragon blood. sorceress line supports all I need for her but want the back story to match "rules" if at all possible.

I am DMing a home game with plenty of hand waving if needed :)
Thanks for your thoughts and knowledge.

An appropriate curse would be able to do it easily enough. And since there are half dragons in the world I would not see why they could not procreate in human form.

Given your statement 'trap them in human form' I make the assumption that they are a dragon who can naturally assume that form. Preventing them from changing back would not make them a humananoid, they would still be a dragon in their human shape and so they would age like a dragon.

They would also be able to procreate as appropriate for their gender and produce half dragons (and game fluff says this is one of the ways this indeed happens).

If this is for a non 'half dragon' PC but just dragon blooded you could either say the curse made the dragon power that was passed on weaker and hence only 'dragon blooded' or have the half dragon produced be an ancestor a generation or two back of the character.


I don't think there are any rules covering the scenario you describe. Therefore I am going to respond to your request for my thoughts.

I think the closest you are going to get to actual RAW is to have the BBEG have researched a personal spell. Since you are the DM, obviously you will approve it. :p I'd make it a ritual with a very rare/expensive material component.

So some time in the past, your BBEG defeats the dragon in combat and, while she's incapacitated, he casts his personally-researched spell on her. This is an instantaneous spell that traps her in human form, only removable via epic magic or an artifact-level item.

Now as to the next question...there's really zero in the rules about this. Personally I'd suggest you hand-wave it that she could procreate, and she would pass along some draconic traits, but that her progeny would be human.

Even though she is now trapped in human form, the dragon has not actually been made into a human (from what you've described) so I would say that she would still age at the rate of a dragon. She's not a human, she's a dragon trapped in a human form by powerful magic.

Hope that helps some. And may I say your player is lucky to have a DM that's going to be integrating his/her backstory into the game to such a degree. :)


Well the player is my wife, (and kids), so that changes the game some :)

She also doesn't want to ever have to die, or restart character, so while I wont play with kid gloves, I will let her get overpowered, make quests for the other players to get her resurrected, (while she joins in ghost form), and make TPK deaths(everyone wakes up at camp and it was just her dream of the day(s) to come)..not RAW, but heck I didn't know about pathfinder 2 months ago :) I think I can live twisting rules for fun.

She wanted to be a Half Orc barbarian..but wanted to look all human, she didn't want to be ugly lol. So I thought well, genetics being what it is there is no reason a rare baby couldn't be human looking. Though one would think these would be killed at birth? Thus spawned the idea

TLDR:
Her Orc father, captured a dragon, and forcefully spurned offspring, trying to sire a half orc, half dragon as his legacy.

Many attempts were made, resulting in twisted abnormal disasters, many were lost at birth, the others were crushed under his boot, before his tribe as part of his shamans ritual.

When PC was born, as 1 of a set of twins, her sister looked Orc and had some minor dragon traits already showing. The PC was a tiny pink skin human looking baby. King Daddy Orc, was all set to smash her at the feet of the great stone dragon statue, but that night mother managed to free herself enough to place the baby in a basket, in the river with a note and send her out Moses style.

A Professional soldier found the baby, and raised it as his own, her earliest memory is dragging his sword to him as he sat on his horse.

When she hit "a certain age" she started having a hard time with her emotions and rage issues, her hair turned pink (yeah I know lol). and her eyes turned purple, she flys into fits of rage and things die.

Her "father" remembering the note, says I kept this from you because I hoped it would never be an issue but you should read this. was in your basket, when I found you. on top of that since your now showing Orc traits (or is it all orc?? oh well its not human!)I can not have you stay here with me, because of caste and king and duty and rot, you have to go adventure in the world and make your own way now..

So I figure if she has to be Overpowered and long lived, why not be dragon born, ill let her advance all the way up to dragon form, and will be one bad as NPC for us to do quests for/against and such with other characters.

Will be able to build a Orc campaign to go against her sister in the high levels. Maybe she finds herself the dragon princess of an orc tribe..whatever she digs it :)


oldcatnhat wrote:
whatever she digs it

It's all about the fun. :)


Long as nothing in the RAW to specifically say this scenario cant work i am happy, I just don't want to get deep into and have to change things because "random module #4 How I met your dragon mother" completely crapped on the idea :) thanks for all the feedback.


Half-orc that looks mostly human; there's a trait for that.


If the twin sister was born with the 'ugly bits' and will be an enemy later on then, may I suggest you add the Half Dragon Template from the Bestiary to her when you make her?

The curse made a lot of unviable children but with the twins one got a lot of dragon and your wifes character got a little but enough for her dragon bloodline as a sorc.

How does that work for you?


works great, now I just have to read about orcs/dragons/and kobolds and build this year long adventure :)

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Advice / Possible to trap a dragon in human form? All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.