FAQ Request - Non damaging effects and incorporeal creatures


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Incorporeal creatures typically take half damage from corporeal sources and have a 50% chance to completely resist all non-damaging corporeal effects. One of the notable exceptions to this rule is a cleric's Channel Energy ability, which gets through their 50% damage resistance when being used harm incorporeal creatures. Should other uses of Channel Energy from feats such as Turn Undead or Command Undead also ignore an incorporeal creature's 50% miss chance?

Also, while we're on the topic (and I do realize this might belong in another FAQ, but I'll try this anyways), should Ghostbane Dirge have a force descriptor or otherwise be designated as something that is not subject to an incorporeal creature's 50% miss chance?

Thank you.


Cerberus Seven wrote:

Incorporeal creatures typically take half damage from corporeal sources and have a 50% chance to completely resist all non-damaging corporeal effects. One of the notable exceptions to this rule is a cleric's Channel Energy ability, which gets through their 50% damage resistance when being used harm incorporeal creatures. Should other uses of Channel Energy from feats such as Turn Undead or Command Undead also ignore an incorporeal creature's 50% miss chance?

If its an incorporeal undead, then I don't see why it wouldn't be affected by Turn/Command Undead. It's like channeling energy.

Cerberus Seven wrote:

Also, while we're on the topic (and I do realize this might belong in another FAQ, but I'll try this anyways), should Ghostbane Dirge have a force descriptor or otherwise be designated as something that is not subject to an incorporeal creature's 50% miss chance?

It only targets an incorporeal creature. That is the point of the spell. Having a 50% miss chance tacked onto the spell makes it not worth the level 2 spell slot.

For above reasons, I have clicked the FAQ button.

Cerberus Seven wrote:
Thank you.

You are welcome.


Avianfoo wrote:
If its an incorporeal undead, then I don't see why it wouldn't be affected by Turn/Command Undead. It's like channeling energy.

My thoughts exactly and I'm pretty sure most people would look at that and make the simple extrapolation. Still, it's an ambiguity on which some strictly-by-the-book GMs and PFS members might not feel comfortable making a judgement. This FAQ request is mostly for their benefit.

Avianfoo wrote:
It only targets an incorporeal creature. That is the point of the spell. Having a 50% miss chance tacked onto the spell makes it not worth the level 2 spell slot.

Especially when you consider the target gets the benefit of a saving throw AND Spell Resistance. Triple-whammy!


Shameless bump. FAQ away everyone, so the Devs will see it!

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