Touch spell + frozen caress + rime spell possible?

[Gingerbreadman]

Could a winter witch wich the frozen caress hex prepare a non-cold touch spell as a rimed spell, turning it into a cold spell with frozen caress when casting it?

Example:
A winter witch 1/magus 2 memorizes a rimed shocking grasp. When casting it she turns it into a cold spell via frozen caress. Because it now has the cold descriptor rime spell works entangling the poor victim in addition to the damage dealt if it fails its save.

frozen caress:

Whenever the winter witch casts a touch spell, she can infuse the magic with cold as a swift action. This grants the spell the cold descriptor, and adds 1d4 points of cold damage to the spell’s effect. If the touch spell allows a saving throw, a successful save negates this additional cold damage.

[StrangePackage]

Can't see why not. What's more, this metamagic has a pretty nice synergy with the Winter Witch archetype "Ice Magic" ability, which increases the save DC of the spell.

[WRoy]

RAW probably not, much to my PFS magus/winter witch's chagrin. Per metamagic feat rules: "Metamagic feats cannot be used with all spells. See the specific feat descriptions for the spells that a particular feat can't modify." These limitations in the feat descriptions are usually written in the same syntax as Rime Spell's limiter: "This feat only affects spells with the cold descriptor."

That means rime spell cannot be applied to a spell lacking the cold descriptor. You could probably use a rime metamagic rod to apply metamagic while using the frozen caress ability to give a spell the cold descriptor.

The metamagic/ability combo would also probably work fine with spontaneous casting, but the magus is limited in his ways to take advantage of this.

[StrangePackage]

Good point. I guess you'd need a metamagic rod? Though I guess the question is could you apply a metamagic feat to a spell that it wouldn't impact? If you were willing to pay the additional cost in terms of slot without any guarantee of benefit, maybe that'd be an appropriate house rule.

[Artanthos]

Even if you could get it to work, swift actions are very valuable to a magus.

[Gingerbreadman]

StrangePackage wrote:

Good point. I guess you'd need a metamagic rod? Though I guess the question is could you apply a metamagic feat to a spell that it wouldn't impact?

That's exactly the question. My guess would be yes, because as I read it the metamagic feat just would not do anything if the spell is not a cold spell

StrangePackage wrote:

If you were willing to pay the additional cost in terms of slot without any guarantee of benefit, maybe that'd be an appropriate house rule.

I'm willing but I'm not sure if a houserule is needed

Artanthos wrote:

Even if you could get it to work, swift actions are very valuable to a magus.

Besides arcane pool, which isn't that plenty and only needed once per turn, for what would you need them?

But I guess most people take arcane strike as granted for a magus.

[Lord Pendragon]

Gingerbreadman wrote:

Besides arcane pool, which isn't that plenty and only needed once per turn, for what would you need them?

Spell Recall

Quickened Shocking Grasp/Frostbite
Arcane Strike (only if not doing one of the other two)

[Artanthos]

Arcane Strike is the go-to ability for magi with an adventuring day that lasts longer than 15 minutes.

As Pendragon said, there are plenty of other options that are higher on the priority list.

[Gingerbreadman]

Thanks for the answers.
I forgot spell recall because the only magus I've seen played didn't have it. And between arcane pool, spell recall and arcane strike I get your point.