Asmodeus is worshiped by the the Hellknights, one of the major NPC groups in PFO so I would say that's a resounding 'YES!'
In the Pathfinder world, most of the really powerful demon and devil lords - the named ones from classis D&D are all deities of some form or the other. The ones that have been used in the Pathfinder realms are literally deities, and have worshippers, can grant spells and so on.
I don't know how many organized churches there will be... that's the only question here, really.
I'm sure they will start with big obvious Deities and eventually get into more obscure ones.
Asmodeus can be seen as the Arch Arch Devil. SOME Hellknights worship him, some worship other gods including LG ones.
Some non Hellknights worship Asmodeus as well. I would assume he would be on the earliest list of deities you could worship.
I don't really know if they plan to have specific deities you worship upon early Open Enrollment.
They could just keep it vaguer and solely alignment based for awhile. They probably will retain that option,
so that you can RP worshipping whatever you want, until they actually add that Deity.
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well, Asmodeus in pathfinder is a full fledged deity, not a simple archdevil.
It is still unclear how worship will work but I would like to worship Nocticula and I am kinda afraid that if an "automated" system for declaring your deity comes out she will be ruled out since she is not a Deity but just a demonlord (still, the demonlord closest to becoming a deity and with an extensive church)
Also, bringing the demon worship down on the crusader road, and on the face of the hellknights of fort inevitable... a definite plus.
RP wise I'm sure I will have no problem being a demon worshipper, systemwise... I think I read something about being favored by your gods or angering them ... that's why I was wondering if being the favorite pet of the queen of succubi was an option.
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Asmodeus is worshiped by the the Hellknights, one of the major NPC groups in PFO so I would say that's a resounding 'YES!'
In the Pathfinder world, most of the really powerful demon and devil lords - the named ones from classis D&D are all deities of some form or the other. The ones that have been used in the Pathfinder realms are literally deities, and have worshippers, can grant spells and so on.
I don't know how many organized churches there will be... that's the only question here, really.
Not technically deities. They are simply (very) powerful outsiders with the ability to grant spells to worshipers. Treerazor is a Nascent Demon Lord (an almost but not quite demon lord) and thus has the power to grant spells and has two(?) domains. But he is not a god. An important technicality, as these not-gods are kill-able with "mere" epic-level characters. Gods tend to have specific kill conditions.
@Quandary: There are no LG Hellknights. LN, yes, but none of them are Good. The whole concept of Hellknights is that they revere the strongly ordered nature of Hells. They venerate the plane itself more than the god that currently rules over it (Asmodeus).
If any of them worship a god that isn't LE, its probably Abadar, the LN god of cities and secrets.
@Bluddwolf: Urgathoa might be your bag, but she's also a goddess of Undeath. She's basically about partying until the end of time. There may be an obscure-ish Demon Lord for you.
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Is there a lower plains deity of greed, lust and or gluttony? Hopefully, one that is inclusive of CN as well as Evil worshipers.
Try Thamir
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@Quandary: There are no LG Hellknights. LN, yes, but none of them are Good. The whole concept of Hellknights is that they revere the strongly ordered nature of Hells. They venerate the plane itself more than the god that currently rules over it (Asmodeus).
If any of them worship a god that isn't LE, its probably Abadar, the LN god of cities and secrets.
The philosophy of the Hellknights does not preclude LG, simply makes it highly unlikely. They are more Lawful than outright evil, but lean towards the evil side due to their general bent toward Diabolism. This is reflected in the tabletop prestige class requirements being Any Lawful. Nowhere does it mention the Good-Evil spectrum in prerequisites.
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If my reading of the Book of The Damned is correct, Asmodeus is technically not a devil, but the god that presides over devilkind.
Devils are the souls of the sinful sent to Hell where they take on a larval state. Through years, even centuries of awful torture those souls are twisted into devils.
Asmodeus has existed since long before Hell or devilkind, and his twin brother Ihys was even good hearted. Asmodeus killed Ihys though. After that battle, he was thus confronted:
Sarenrae leveled her burning sword at the murderer, demanding he yield. With a blink, Asmodeus awoke and quenched the goddess’s blade, taking her by the throat. Looking deep within her, he saw fear, and insignificance, and weakness, but also the truth of the age. And as the goddess prepared to join her master, she was shocked to feel Asmodeus release and address her.
“Your war is won, Pale Orphan. I leave all of this to you and your ilk. But you will see me again, for I alone remain to guard the old truths. And I will wait for the age when all you have wrought and all for which you have fought turns to sweep you away. Then all of you will see what I have lost, and what I will make mine again.”
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The origin of Asmodeus varies by product and edition. I have not read the book of the damned, but I did enjoy the origins of devils and of Asmodeus in 3.5 D&D as related in Tyrants of the Nine Hells.
I am very fond of that version of Asmodeus not being a deity, but reaching for it. The thought of a non-divine evil being ever so close to crossing the threshold seems it would provide much more fodder than the same entity after his goal was achieved. Or worse... being created a god from the onset.
Hellknights: Faction page 266 from Inner Sea World Guide
Alignment: LG, LN, LE (strongly skewed toward LN)
I would imagine the most LG members would fall into the Order of the God Claw which venerates aspects from Abadar, Asmodeus, Iomedae, Irori, and Torag.
Asmodeus is worshiped by the the Hellknights, one of the major NPC groups in PFO so I would say that's a resounding 'YES!'
In the Pathfinder world, most of the really powerful demon and devil lords - the named ones from classis D&D are all deities of some form or the other. The ones that have been used in the Pathfinder realms are literally deities, and have worshippers, can grant spells and so on.
I don't know how many organized churches there will be... that's the only question here, really.
Not technically deities. They are simply (very) powerful outsiders with the ability to grant spells to worshipers. Treerazor is a Nascent Demon Lord (an almost but not quite demon lord) and thus has the power to grant spells and has two(?) domains. But he is not a god. An important technicality, as these not-gods are kill-able with "mere" epic-level characters. Gods tend to have specific kill conditions.
@Quandary: There are no LG Hellknights. LN, yes, but none of them are Good. The whole concept of Hellknights is that they revere the strongly ordered nature of Hells. They venerate the plane itself more than the god that currently rules over it (Asmodeus).
If any of them worship a god that isn't LE, its probably Abadar, the LN god of cities and secrets.
@Bluddwolf: Urgathoa might be your bag, but she's also a goddess of Undeath. She's basically about partying until the end of time. There may be an obscure-ish Demon Lord for you.
You need to go back and re-read that section. The reason that Treerazor isn't considered a god is because he's only a 'nascent' demon lord. There's a difference between, say, a Balor Lord and a Demon Lord. A Balor Lord is the equivalent of a Solar... a Demon Lord is a unique being and is technically a deity in Pathfinder. They may only technically be the equivalent of a demigod, but still they qualify, at least on their own home planes.
There's several Hellknight Orders which include LG leadership, including some Paladins,
I'm sure that's easy enough to find in a search here on the boards or Pathfinderwiki if you don't have Council of Thieves (Westcrown/Cheliax AP).
Paizo has stated that LN is the dominant alignment of Hellknights as a whole, LE being second, and LG the least common.
Not all Hellknight Orders are on good terms with Asmodeus or House Thrune.
I'm not sure exactly what GW is planning with the specific NPC faction,
but one might note the name of Fort Inevitable references a LN Outsider.
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You need to go back and re-read that section. The reason that Treerazor isn't considered a god is because he's only a 'nascent' demon lord. There's a difference between, say, a Balor Lord and a Demon Lord. A Balor Lord is the equivalent of a Solar... a Demon Lord is a unique being and is technically a deity in Pathfinder. They may only technically be the equivalent of a demigod, but still they qualify, at least on their own home planes.Asmodeus is worshiped by the the Hellknights, one of the major NPC groups in PFO so I would say that's a resounding 'YES!'
In the Pathfinder world, most of the really powerful demon and devil lords - the named ones from classis D&D are all deities of some form or the other. The ones that have been used in the Pathfinder realms are literally deities, and have worshippers, can grant spells and so on.
I don't know how many organized churches there will be... that's the only question here, really.
Not technically deities. They are simply (very) powerful outsiders with the ability to grant spells to worshipers. Treerazor is a Nascent Demon Lord (an almost but not quite demon lord) and thus has the power to grant spells and has two(?) domains. But he is not a god. An important technicality, as these not-gods are kill-able with "mere" epic-level characters. Gods tend to have specific kill conditions.
@Quandary: There are no LG Hellknights. LN, yes, but none of them are Good. The whole concept of Hellknights is that they revere the strongly ordered nature of Hells. They venerate the plane itself more than the god that currently rules over it (Asmodeus).
If any of them worship a god that isn't LE, its probably Abadar, the LN god of cities and secrets.
@Bluddwolf: Urgathoa might be your bag, but she's also a goddess of Undeath. She's basically about partying until the end of time. There may be an obscure-ish Demon Lord for you.
I'm definitely going to re-read the section on the gods in the campaign setting, but I'm pretty sure that the demon lords aren't gods.
My point with Treerazor was that you don't need to be a god to be able to grant spells like a god.
