How do you run painless attack on a sleeping opponent


Rules Questions


Subject A stealths up to a sleeping Victem known as Subject B.

Subject A has an attack such as a blood sucking attack or small needs or something that can be used in a more or less painless manner.

subject A attempts to use this in an attack on Subject B which is designed to NOT wake subject B.

Is this Possible?

How would it be handled in the rules?


Is there an attack anywhere in the rules that is a painless attack? I doubt it. I would rule that it would wake the target immediately.

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If Subject A plans to kill the sleeping Subject B then that action takes a full round (from the start of Subject A's first turn to the beginning of his next turn) as outlined in the rules for both a coup de grace or a helpless creature. This leaves plenty of time for the enemy(ies) to hear what is going on since sleeping creatures are still allowed a Perception check albeit with a +10 (or other modifier as determined by the GM) to the DC of the check as outlined here .

Otherwise, it is a straight attack that would wake the sleeper. Hope that helps.


For the large majority of interactions, that's how it's going to be ruled.

How would you guys handle a mosquito bite? A mosquito bite may manifest two things: itching red bite (an annoyance; no rules for those) or disease (percentage chance to contract, fort save to prevent). Would a single mosquito bite wake a sleeper?


I would not, in any way, adjudicate a mosquito bite, nor a splinter or hang nail or any other of a million painful but thematically unimportant injuries. They are fun to role play or roll play.

There is no point, IMHO, for worrying about anything so small in the game.

Any attack should allow someone to wake up, unless that attack puts them to sleep, just for the fun of the game. Otherwise, just rule the character is dead. Because if you can sleep through one, you can sleep through them all. And then, you'd be dead.


Fair point.

To the OP, if you're trying to do some situation where some NPCs steal some tiniest bit of blood or the like from the PCs in their sleep for whatever reason, I think this is your answer. The PCs should probably get a chance to defend themselves. Otherwise, it's not very fun.


Oops, I meant NOT FUN.

Can you not edit after someone else posts?


You can't edit after an hour.

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