Can prepared divine casters leave spell slots open too?


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I've always heard about arcane casters being able to leave spell slots open in case something specific is needed but how about Clerics, Rangers and Druids? Can they choose to leave open slots and then fill them later the same way?

Grand Lodge

No... you pray for your spells ONCE per day.... period.

Quite frankly,I've always thought that leaving spell slots open was a dodge for sub par wizard players,especially those who have an arcane bond item. For the bulk of the times I've had to run wizards, I've rarely had the luxury of dorking around for 15 minutes in an active situation.


rules wrote:
Spell Selection and Preparation: A divine spellcaster selects and prepares spells ahead of time through prayer and meditation at a particular time of day. The time required to prepare spells is the same as it is for a wizard (1 hour), as is the requirement for a relatively peaceful environment. When preparing spells for the day, a cleric can leave some of her spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes. During these extra sessions of preparation, she can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if she prepares more than one-quarter of his spells.


Yes, he can!


LazarX wrote:

No... you pray for your spells ONCE per day.... period.

Quite frankly,I've always thought that leaving spell slots open was a dodge for sub par wizard players,especially those who have an arcane bond item. For the bulk of the times I've had to run wizards, I've rarely had the luxury of dorking around for 15 minutes in an active situation.

Uh, what? That's not right at all.

CRB, pg. 220 wrote:
Spell Selection and Preparation: A divine spellcaster selects and prepares spells ahead of time through prayer and meditation at a particular time of day. The time required to prepare spells is the same as it is for a wizard (1 hour), as is the requirement for a relatively peaceful environment. When preparing spells for the day, a divine spellcaster can leave some of her spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes. During these extra sessions of preparation, she can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or f ill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if she prepares more than one-quarter of her spells.

Liberty's Edge

Yes.

PRD wrote:
Spell Selection and Preparation: A divine spellcaster selects and prepares spells ahead of time through prayer and meditation at a particular time of day. The time required to prepare spells is the same as it is for a wizard (1 hour), as is the requirement for a relatively peaceful environment. When preparing spells for the day, a cleric can leave some of her spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes. During these extra sessions of preparation, she can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if she prepares more than one-quarter of his spells.

That said, I agree with Lazarx that in the campaigns I have played rarely the PC had the leisure to wait 15+ minutes need to the spellcaster to fill his unused slots.

Generally, if they had the time for that, they had the time to wait a whole day and proceed with a full roster of spells.

Edit: trice Ninjaed, slow typing!


Wizards can't really complain, considering after 5th level they can take Fast Study.


I love leaving spell slots open as a cleric. Especially 3rd level slots. No need to waste spell slots on the variety of curative spells that all seem to be around level 2-3. Just leave one open and memorize something in it later if need be.

As for the experience of whether or not I can wait 15+ minutes, sure. I do that all the time in my games that I play in. While yes, you could just rest until the next day, why waste the time?
Many uses for various toolbox spells are not 'I need it right now!' uses and that is why I love the ability to memorize the right toolbox spell whenever I need it. It winds up SAVING me spell slots.
Alternately, if I have used one of my favorite spells I can use 15minutes to replace it with the extra slot. Since I have a few different 'favorites' I won't know until it is time which one I need to replace.

Different playstyles I guess. :)

- Gauss


LazarX wrote:

No... you pray for your spells ONCE per day.... period.

Quite frankly,I've always thought that leaving spell slots open was a dodge for sub par wizard players,especially those who have an arcane bond item. For the bulk of the times I've had to run wizards, I've rarely had the luxury of dorking around for 15 minutes in an active situation.

Ninja'd, but as others have said, completely incorrect. Yes normally they aren't useful for an active situation. My experience that they're best for getting those once-in-a-while healing spells like remove disease and such.


Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm not a big fan of leaving slots open myself as you never know if you'll have the time to fill em, but leaving a couple could help with the "wow you're totally screwed but I can fix that in 24 hours" situation.

Liberty's Edge

Gauss wrote:

I love leaving spell slots open as a cleric. Especially 3rd level slots. No need to waste spell slots on the variety of curative spells that all seem to be around level 2-3. Just leave one open and memorize something in it later if need be.

As for the experience of whether or not I can wait 15+ minutes, sure. I do that all the time in my games that I play in. While yes, you could just rest until the next day, why waste the time?
Many uses for various toolbox spells are not 'I need it right now!' uses and that is why I love the ability to memorize the right toolbox spell whenever I need it. It winds up SAVING me spell slots.
Alternately, if I have used one of my favorite spells I can use 15minutes to replace it with the extra slot. Since I have a few different 'favorites' I won't know until it is time which one I need to replace.

Different playstyles I guess. :)

- Gauss

Or maybe more a question of assumed levels.

A 7th level pure chaster leaving a 3rd level slot open will reduce his staying power by a perceptible margin.

A 9th level caster doing the same will probably benefit more form the extra option that from the extra readied spell.


Diego, that is true, it does depend on level. But, my rule of thumb is one spell slot open equal to highest level spell you can cast -1. Ie: at 7th I often leave a third open. I may have other lower level slots open (no more than 1 per level though). Again, a matter of play styles. :)

Regarding staying power, I rarely burn more than a couple spells on any given combat. Even CR+1 or +2 rarely require more than a few spells. I build my spells to be diverse enough where I am not usually having to spam them. I have multiple options. (Must be why I don't like playing spontaneous casters.)

- Gauss

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