Threatening Illusion (Metamagic) feat - clarifications and Swift actions


Rules Questions

Sczarni

I have several questions for this feat and altho minor, they have been bugging me for some time. My gnome illusionist will soon reach 5th level and plans on using it to aid his fellow adventurers so he wants to make sure he got it right.

Threatening Illusion:

Prerequisites: Spell Focus (illusion), gnome.

Benefit: You can use this metamagic feat only on illusion (figment) spells.

A threatening illusion spell causes one target to believe your illusion is a threat. Choose one 5-foot square within the area of your illusion; that square threatens the target as long as it is adjacent. Thus, if you or an ally is on the opposite side of the target, it is considered flanking. Normally the area must contain an illusory creature of Small or Medium size. However, you can select one square of a larger illusory creature to threaten the target. For example, an illusory Large ogre takes up four 5-foot squares; you select one square to be the source of the threat, and its other three squares do not threaten anyone. If the target has reason to believe there is an invisible creature in the vicinity, even an auditory illusion with no visual elements (such as ghost sound) is sufficient to convince the target that the selected square contains an actual threat. As long as you maintain the illusion, you can change the location of the threatening square as a swift action. When you threaten a target with this spell, the foe may make a Will save to disbelieve (DC 10 + threatening spell’s level + your spellcasting ability score modifier). If the target makes this save, the threatening effect of this feat no longer applies to it.

Level Increase: +1 (a threatening illusion takes up a spell slot one level higher than normal.)

Normal: Illusion spells do not threaten squares.

So there is two questions that I wonder:

a) Do feats such as Spell Focus (Illusion) and gnome racial ability that grants +1 to DC with Illusions raise the DC of this feat? My guess is that they do, but I wish to be sure.

b) Does the target actually make multiple (two) different Will saves to disbelieve the effect? One for threatening effect of illusion and one to disbelieve it completely?

c) Not related with the first question, can a person opt to change swift action into standard action by normal rules? For example, I have two abilites that use swift action, but I opt to take a single ability as standard to use them both.

Thanks everyone for reply's

Sczarni

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Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

a) Yes, it is the standard calculation for Will save so I would add Spell Focus, racial bonuses, and other illusion save modifiers. Conversely, the target will get any illusion save bonuses to their save or if they have an immunity, then they would still be immune, such as vermin traits, etc.

b) The Will save they make to avoid the threatening effect should be the "interaction" Will save in my opinion. So it is like a two in one save. Once they succeed on a save, they are no longer affected by any aspect of the illusion, threatening or otherwise.

c) This is debatable. Per the rules, no, there is no way to switch a swift action to a higher action type. The slippery slope is that I could cast a spell with my standard action, a quickened spell with my swift action, and then could I opt to cast another quickened spell but use my remaining move action as technically the move action is a "higher" use of an action? I would say no as would most DM's that I know. So, per the rules and my opinion is no. Now there may be a missed FAQ or ruling on this that I am unaware of and that could cause me to change my view on this.

Good luck!

Sczarni

@Hendelbolaf
Regarding c)
I am not trying to cast spell as move action but simply use a swift action as standard one. That wouldn't be cost effective in either case, but I am not sure if it's within the limits of the rules.

To clarify c) more, I can concentrate on a single illusion figment spell as a swift action instead of standard (Effortless Trickery). As much as I am aware, I just choose to concentrate on it as standard instead and use the swift action for something else.

Sczarni

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Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Malag wrote:

@Hendelbolaf

Regarding c)
I am not trying to cast spell as move action but simply use a swift action as standard one. That wouldn't be cost effective in either case, but I am not sure if it's within the limits of the rules.

To clarify c) more, I can concentrate on a single illusion figment spell as a swift action instead of standard (Effortless Trickery). As much as I am aware, I just choose to concentrate on it as standard instead and use the swift action for something else.

In the case you mention above, yes, you could do that. If the action normally requires a standard action but you have a way to make it a swift or move action, then you may choose to ignore that ability and just run it as a standard action. That would keep your swift action open for use on your turn.

Sczarni

Thanks Hendelbolaf,

I would still like to hear several other opinions just to be sure I didn't miss something, but it seems that people are on holiday's...

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