sneak attack with spells that attack on their own

[Xavier319]

Alright, so let's say you're a caster with sneak attack, like an arcane trickster, and you cast twilight knife. Obviously, if you're hidden, on the first round of attacks, they are flat-footed and yoru knife gets the sneak attack bonus. However, on further rounds, if it is flanking with someone, it gets sneak attack. does it also get YOUR sneak attack, considering it is YOUR spell? by RAW, it appears to be the case.

another question, if they cannot see YOU, but they can see, say, mage's sword, does the sword get sneak attack since the caster of the spell is hidden? I dont think so, they would have to be flat-footed to the sword, but i'm just double-checking.

[GeneticDrift]

If the spell attacks on its own it does not have your class features. On phone so I didn't look up the spells.

Edit. IIRC Most spells specifically say they don't flank. Like spiritual weapon.

[Xavier319]

except twilight knife says it flanks specifically. and since you can get sneak attack with spells that you make attack rolls with, and you make an attack roll with twilight knife, i dont see why it wouldnt get your sneak attack.

[VRMH]

If you roll for an attack, then you can add the relevant precision damage.

[Xavier319]

that is what I thought.

but, my other question stands. do they have to be flat-footed for ME, or for the sword? the example being mage's sword or spiritual weapon. If they cannot see me (i'm invisible or whatever) but they can see the floating sword, are they flat-footed for the spell, since I am not visible?

[Howie23]

By RAW, it gets sneak attack dice, regardless of whether the caster has sneak attack, based on the caster's caster level., if it flanks or if the target is denied Dex. It uses your BAB and gets a bonus based on Int or Cha. That is what it does. If it is your opinion ion that it also gets your sneak attack, either on an initial casting or after, pls explain why. You are not attacking with the spell. Rather, you create an object which then attacks.

[wraithstrike]

The spell attacking is not you attacking. I definitely would not see such spells breaking invisibility for that same reason.

[Xavier319]

alright, that works for me. thanks wraithstrike