Quick Cavalier Standard Bearer + Beast Rider Question


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I was thinking of an Order of the Lion Cavalier with the Standard Bearer Archetype just to really ramp up the idea of inspiring his Allies. I was just wondering can I stack the Beast Rider Archetype on top of this at level 5 to get him an actual Lion to ride at level 7?

A standard bearers relevant changes are here http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCombat/classArchetypes/cavalier. html
I have just picked out the relevant parts.

Banner
"At 1st level, a standard bearer gains the banner ability. This ability is identical to the standard cavalier’s banner ability, except that the morale bonuses on saving throws against fear effects and on attack rolls made as part of a charge increase at 5th level, and every five levels thereafter.

This ability replaces the standard cavalier’s mount ability."

Mount
"At 5th level, a standard bearer gains the service of a loyal and trusted mount. This mount is identical in all ways to the standard cavalier’s mount.

This ability replaces the standard cavalier’s banner ability."

The beast Rider gets Exotic Mount as an ability there is a lot of text in that one so I will just pick the parts I see as having a problem

"At 1st level, a beast rider forms a bond with a strong, loyal companion that permits him to ride it as a mount. This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using the beast rider’s level as his effective druid level."

"This ability replaces the standard cavalier's mount and expert trainer abilities."

The Standard Bearer still has the expert trainer and Mount abilits to trade for the Exotic mount class feature but does not gain mount until level 5 instead of the usual level 1. There are multiple examples of Archetypes giving new class features at one level and replacing features the class would have gotten at a later level so I do not see that as an issue I just do not know if am missing something that would disallow it by RAW.

Personally I feel that the standard bearer should be able to replace its mount ability with exotic mount but only at the 5th level when it actually has the mount class feature to trade as to receive the mount at level 1 just seems to be a bit over powered and not in the spirit of the rules unlike receiving it at the 5th level where you are still taking the associated penalty for choosing the standard bearer archetype.

There is probably some rule I do not know about that makes the whole idea impossible but just though I would ask.

Any thoughts ?

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APG, archetype rules wrote:
A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature.
Standard Bearer wrote:
This ability replaces the standard cavalier’s mount ability.
Beast Master wrote:
This ability replaces the standard cavalier's mount and expert trainer abilities.

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Thanks for the fast and simple answer. So the standard bearers mount ability is different to the normal cavalier mount ability as although it functions the same and has exactly the same name it is replacement ability and so is not the ability beast rider asks to have switched. Is that correct ?


What jiggy tried to say is that you can not combine those two archetypes.

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Yep thanks to both of you.

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