Is a kobold tail attachment a natural attack, or a weapon?


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It says...

Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +1, kobold.

Benefit: You can make a tail slap attack with your tail. This is a secondary natural attack that deals 1d4 points of bludgeoning damage. Furthermore, you can augment your tail slap attack with a kobold tail attachment. For the purpose of weapon feats, you are considered proficient with all kobold tail attachments.

A kobold with the Tail Terror feat can slip this device over the tip of his tail to augment his natural attack. Each tail attachment provides just enough weight, balance, and striking power to increase the damage of his tail slap. While a kobold is wearing a kobold tail attachment, its tail attack deals the tail attachment damage, and some attachments gain a special feature. Tail attachments are light weapons and can be improved by feats that can improve weapon attacks (such as Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization).

There are five types of common tail attachments. All kobold tail attachments make up a kobold tail attachment weapon group that can be improved by the fighter's weapon training class ability. Tail attachments can be constructed of special material and made into masterwork or magic items.

Long Lash: This slender cord has tiny bits of glass and stone embedded in its length.
Pounder: This squat ball is made from some sort of dull metal.
Razored: This metal wedge has a prickly edge on one of its sides.
Spiked: This narrow spike tapers to a sharp point.
Sweeper: When properly used, this sharply curved piece of metal can knock opponents off their feet. Unlike most trip weapons, you cannot drop it if you are tripped during your own trip attempt.

It takes a full-round action to slip on a kobold tail attachment, and the kobold gains a +4 bonus against disarm attempts made to remove his tail attachment.

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Now obviously, without a tail attachment, this is a purely natural attack. But with one, does it count as a natural attack, or a weapon? can you use two-weapon fighting with the tail attachment? If it's still a natural weapon, does it benefit from an amulet of might fists, or from the enchantments on his weapon, or both? I like the idea of being able to do two -weapon fighting with the tail attachment. Tell me it's possible.

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nobody?


Sorry, I got nothing.

Based on the similar concept of the ratfolk tailblade, which grants the ratfolk a natural tail attack that is a secondary natural attack in a full-round action, I'd be prone to say it's still a natural attack even with the attachment, BUT ratfolk tailblade is a little different because ratfolk don't normally have a natural tail attack without it, so it grants them a natural attack they didn't have otherwise.

The ratfolk tailblade is just different enough from the kobold tail attachments that it can't be used as evidence to support the natural attack argument really.


It's a weapon. It's listed under weapons. It requires a weapon proficiency to use. It says they count as a weapon. Weapon, weapon, weapon.

Bit weird. You can now make iterative attacks with your tail when you couldn't before.


Yeah. It's a weapon. Converts your Natural Attack into a slightly more powerful, and potentially more synergistic (for non Natural Attack builds. Especially Two-Weapon Fighters I think) weapon.

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rock on. Kobold mobile fighter here I come!


I'm not convinced that it stops being a natural weapon. It improves the natural weapon but it doesn't actually add anything that natural weapons don't already have except a weapon proficiency.

If we look at the cat claws in the catfolk section we see it very specifically says that it changes the weapon type.

Also the description for the tail attachment is that it improves the damage of the tail slap. In fact no where does it say that the attack stops using the tail slap. It does say that you use the tail attachment damage. And that this can be improved by feats and such.

From ARG PG 135
"Each tail attachment
provides just enough weight, balance, and striking power
to increase the damage of his tail slap."

It also says that feats that improve the effectiveness of the tail attachment improve the effectiveness of the tail slap.


Hmm, good point, Mahtobedis. But it also says that the Tail Attachment is a light weapon.

So from this I conclude it is either.

You make a tail slap attack while an attachment is equipped? It does attachment damage. Proficiency with the attachment is not required.

OR

You attack with the tail attachment as a light weapon. Proficiency required.


My opinion is that they included the line about feats to allow you to improve the effectiveness of the tail slap by improving the effectiveness with the attachment. I think this would go two ways where penalties from not having a feat would also apply, so proficiency required.

It does say that the tail attachment is a light weapon. It could also be that you can make a light weapon attack with the tail weapon, or you can make a tail slap using the tail weapons damage.


Yes, that's what I meant. I think as it is written the character can do either; whichever they want in a given circumstance.

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I agree. It is listed as a weapon. ALSO, it says that kobold tail attachment is it's own fighter weapon group. it is separate from the 'natural weapon' group. leading me to believe the are weapons

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