Nemesis: 100 Ideas for kickstarting a Female Superhero film


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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

[Looks up Mira Furlan]

Huh, so the Frenchwoman is really Croatian?

It was the Sci-Fi (SyFy?) television miniseries with Danny Glover and Isabella Rossellini (OHWFA!).

To be honest, it wasn't terrible on a bunch of standards (the gebbeth, I thought, was pretty cool) but it took way too many liberties with the plot for a devoted Le Guinian like me to stomach without complaint. I believe I read somewhere that when asked about it, Ursula, like Alan Moore, said she just took the money and ran. (I don't recall her name even being listed in the credits, but I could be wrong.)

Perhaps Shawn Ashmore is a fine actor, I couldn't say, but he made a terrible Ged, imho. Finally, I didn't like what they did with Tenar and the other ladies (I don't think they once called her Arha).

Huh. I only saw one thing on TV, which may either have been an episode in a larger series or not; I couldn't say. I'm a pretty devoted Le Guin fan myself, and I really could have switched channels at any point after the first half-hour (I think it was a two-hour special). I have to admit that I watched it all the way through more out of loyalty than enjoyment, then promptly re-read the books.

don juan de doodlebug wrote:
Sugar Candy Mountain is going fine except for the fact that I haven't been able to do any reading. I think they're on to me. :(

Uh-oh. That could be bad.

*Sigh* So, what does "OHWFA" mean? I don't really text much - make that, at all - so I'm way behind on the abbreviations.


The DVD wasn't broken into episodes, but it felt like three.

And, you're right, all it really did was make me want to re-read the books, but I resisted.

I don't text, either. OHWFA! is an elite membership organization (only two members, myself and Comrade Mean DM, and one sympathizer, Mr. Shifty) devoted to contemplation of the female form. We have a sister (brother?) organization, OHDFA! if you're interested, or you can also join OHWFA!

You can read more about it here.

Btw, I only got off a measly chapter of "The Death of Ivan Ilych" on the clock today. [Grumbles and curses]


Cinema and the Class Stuggle, Part, um, I lost track

Smash Panem Through Workers Revolution!

I read Catching Fire and Mockingjay after I watched The Hunger Games and my enjoyment was only improved by picturing Coriolanus Snow as Donald Sutherland.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
I read Catching Fire and Mockingjay after I watched The Hunger Games and my enjoyment was only improved by picturing Coriolanus Snow as Donald Sutherland.

Funny that you say that, I love Donald Sutherland, but even after seeing the movie I didn't think he was a good pick for Snow. Not that Sutherland did a bad job, he was wonderfully menacing and sinister, but I imagined more of a Malcolm McDowell villain for that role.

Incidentally I didn't care for the last book, Mockingjay, and I imagine this could be the last good movie of the series.


After watching Bertolucci's 1900, Donald is my go-to guy for depicting evil fascist bastards.

Malcolm is awesome, too, of course, but I don't know what he would've brought to the Games that Donnie didn't.

Incidentally, if Catching Fire is any good, I imagine it is the first good movie of the series.

Nevertheless, Vive le Katniss!

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It's a volume level really, Sutherland is quietly menacing, McDowell is menacingly quiet.


Guy Humual wrote:
It's a volume level really, Sutherland is quietly menacing, McDowell is menacingly quiet.

McDowell is incredibly creepy, though, which isn't a quality I ever associated with Sutherland; he just sounds too fatherly to pull it off. I have trouble picturing Sutherland as a megalomaniacal mass-murderer.

Et vive la Katniss!

(I can and do appreciate the female form. Jennifer Lawrence is hawt, especially in that skin-tight suit.)

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Well in fairness to folks who picked Sutherland for the role Snow is a monster bent on control, and that is something Donald can portray very well, but on the other hand he is also the sort that poisons rivals and enemies, pimps out Hunger Games champions, and is very much content on making life deliberately miserable for many just so the few can feel privileged . . . you know . . . on top of running a tournament that has kids fighting to the death. Of the two actors only one was Caligula.


Jennifer Lawrence is indeed hawt. And, better still, she is a truly excellent actor. And she's hilarious on Letterman. I just love her!

However, I can't help but feel that she is in danger of finding herself overexposed. She seems to be in every major upcoming flick. That can go wrong for a young actor, really quickly.

Also, Katniss is a stupid, stupid (and obvious - she's like a cat - get it?!) name.

I hate that name. I like the character well enough.

I want to somehow punish the author for that lousy name. Like... never buying or reading those books. I'll stick with the flicks.


SnowJade wrote:


McDowell is incredibly creepy, though, which isn't a quality I ever associated with Sutherland...

His least creepy performance.

(He's even more creepy in is comedies.)

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Bruunwald wrote:

Also, Katniss is a stupid, stupid (and obvious - she's like a cat - get it?!) name.

I hate that name. I like the character well enough.

I want to somehow punish the author for that lousy name. Like... never buying or reading those books. I'll stick with the flicks.

I can't remember if it was mentioned in the movie or not but Katniss actually gets her name from a type of lily, and her sister Primrose from a type of flower. Her father was an experienced woodsman and he's the one that named the two girls as well as the one that taught Katniss the skills she used to win the hunger games. He died in a mining accident before the books began.

If you were to boycott one or the other I'd highly recommend boycotting the movies, the first wasn't great, and a ton of the story was gutted or outright changed.


I want to somehow punish Ms. Collins for naming the land Panem and then pretending, at the end of the series, that the connection to Bread and Circuses was some kind of surprisising reveal.

Otoh, the books were written for children and maybe I'm just being a snob,

Either way,

Smash Panem Through Workers Revolution!

("Peeta Mallark" is a much worse name than "Katniss Everdeen.")

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well at least he wasn't named pita or sourdough.


Yes. Andie McDowell is just too creepy. It would have been like the premiere of Frankenstein with people running for their lives.


Is that Andie MacDowell or Malcolm McDowell, Sissyl? (Andie is an American woman; Malcolm is a British man.)


Andie. Definitely Andie.


>.< Thank you. Oh, thank you. I now have a horrible picture in my brain.

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That's the chick from Groundhog's Day isn't it? She's not creepy at all. The joke is that Malcolm is creepy and he shares the same last name.


Andie McDowell is hawt.

IIRC, she started as a model.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
To be honest, it wasn't terrible on a bunch of standards (the gebbeth, I thought, was pretty cool) but it took way too many liberties with the plot for a devoted Le Guinian like me to stomach without complaint. I believe I read somewhere that when asked about it, Ursula, like Alan Moore, said she just took the money and ran. (I don't recall her name even being listed in the credits, but I could be wrong.)

She might have done a Cordwainer Bird routine. When Harlan Ellison does a project for movies or TV and he's less than happy with the way his work was used, he has his screen credit changed to "Cordwainer Bird" as a signal to his fans that he emphatically did not approve of the way is work was used. Which is why his screen credit for "Starlost" reads that way. He intended to have the same done with his Star Trek episode, "City On The Edge Of Forever", but Gene Roddenberry was savvy enough to head that one off at the pass.

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