Transformative Shield

[blackbloodtroll]

If I add the Transformative ability to a shield, and transform it into a non-shield melee weapon, which abilities are retained?

Bashing?

Shield Special Material?

What happens when a non-shield weapon that is enchanted with the Transformative ability, is transformed into a shield?

[Drakkiel]

I would say RAI that it was never meant for shields...I hate that shields are consider weapons FIRST and not a subtype of armor first that just happen to be able to be used as a weapon

Raw I would say bashing wouldn't since it does mention it doesn't retain special properties that don't work with the new shape (like keen if its something that can't have keen)

For the weapon into a shield it's now that...a shield...you get the damage and AC bonus of whatever type of shield you turned it into

I'm not sure about the special materials...could you give an example of what a shield could be made out of that any other weapon can't be made from?

[Protoman]

I think bashing wouldn't work. Much like if a weapon was transformed into a bludgeoning weapon I would think keen was no longer applicable.

I think special material is fine, unless it's one of those primitive ones that can only be slashing, piercing, or bludgeoning or something.

If a non-shield gets turned into a shield, would probably be limited based on original weapon's size. Light weapon -> light shield. One-handed weapon -> heavy shield. 2 handed weapon -> nothing, as tower shield can't be used to bash. Would also take move action to strap the shield on for the AC bonus.

[Majuba]

Light weapon -> Klar :)

For the materials... it might be rather cheap to fashion a mithral shield vs. buying a mithral weapon.

[blackbloodtroll]

Will things like Hosteling still function?

Will the animal be discharged upon transformation?

[Starglim]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

If I add the Transformative ability to a shield, and transform it into a non-shield melee weapon, which abilities are retained?

Melee weapon properties applicable to the type of weapon to which it transforms.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Bashing?

No, that's a shield property.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Shield Special Material?

It's still made of the same material in a suitable amount. In some cases this might change the cost of such a weapon - it seems a minor benefit considering you paid at least 3000 gp for transformative.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

What happens when a non-shield weapon that is enchanted with the Transformative ability, is transformed into a shield?

It keeps its weapon enhancement bonuses, any weapon properties applicable to a bludgeoning weapon (and a piercing weapon, if transformed to a spiked shield), edit: hardness and hit points. It provides protection, armour penalties and so on as a non-magical, non-masterwork shield.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Will things like Hosteling still function?

Will the animal be discharged upon transformation?

The extradimensional space and its contents remain, but can't be accessed, just as if you suppressed the magic of a bag of holding.

[blackbloodtroll]

If the weapon transformed into a shield is a Heirloom Weapon, does the proficiency still apply?

[Drakkiel]

That one BBT is a bit harder...

I would say no...because you are proficient with THAT weapon...if it is say a Kukri and you change it into a different weapon that is not in your proficiencies then you don't automatically gain the knowledge and training in the use of the new weapon

However, it does mention that a small character can wield a weapon transformed into a medium longsword without the -2 penalty for it being of a different size category

Based on that I would say while NO you are no longer proficient with it, you do not take the -4 for non-proficiency

Agree? Disagree? I'm actually interested as to your interpretation of this BBT

[blackbloodtroll]

Well, the trait specifies the weapon, not weapons of that type.

Example: That weapon, which happens to be a Greatsword, but not Greatswords in general.

As long as it is not a Exotic weapon, the prerequisites of the trait are met.

You would be proficient with it, as a weapon, but not as a shield.

[Drakkiel]

Well transformative mentions that a the designation of the altered weapon's category is irrelevant so exotic wouldn't matter either right? At home now and the SRD won't load for me :( so I'm not 100% on that "quote"

I wouldn't have an issue if you were the GM and ruled it that way at all though :)

[blackbloodtroll]

The updated text of the trait is:

PSRD wrote:

Heirloom Weapon

You carry a non-masterwork simple or martial weapon that has been passed down from generation to generation in your family.

Benefit: When you select this trait, choose one of the following benefits:

proficiency with that specific weapon
a +1 trait bonus on attacks of opportunity with that specific weapon
a +2 trait bonus on one kind of combat maneuver when using that specific weapon.

Note: You pay the standard gp cost for the weapon.