A PFS Magus / Ninja / Arcane Trickster


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Hey all,

So I'm trying to get a feel for the viability of this build. I have really been wanting to play an Arcane Trickster for a while now and I always thought the Magus would work brilliantly as an entry to the class since it is a lot more of a martial character than the other arcane classes. And I really think I wanna give it a go at one of the local PFS groups. However, I'm rather torn about how to build it.

I've got it down to basically two possibilities: either a finesse wakizashi wielding Magus/Ninja/AT, or the strength based Katana wielding Magus/Ninja/AT.

But before we talk about those builds, let's talk about the fact that ATs suck at low levels. Which is something I'm not going to try and dispute. That said, I think that suckiness can be mitigated nicely in the case of the Magus/Ninja by getting all the non-AT levels done first, and then starting the AT at level 11. Way I figure it, the smart move is to level by going Magus 2, Ninja 1, Magus 5, Ninja 2.

Here's my reasoning: the main 'damage spell' of the Magus for the majority of the low levels is Shocking Grasp, a first level spell. With Magical knack, my caster level progression increases even when I take the Ninja levels so no loss in damage output there. Plus I gain 2d6s of sneak when I'm in flank/they are denied their Dex (and the proficiency in whatever main weapon I end up using). The only thing this costs me is access to the number of spells and when I gain access to higher level spells. Which isn't necessarily crippling, if one plays smart (which I intend to do).

What's more, and this is why I'm really leaning towards the strength build, at Magus 7 I can cast in Medium Armor without penalty. That means, mithral breastplate which is pretty sick. What's more, I can two-hand that Katana when the situation calls for it, or I can keep the off-hand free and deal spell damage with spell-combat.

The finesse build, by contrast, is going to have a higher AC at lower levels which is pretty big. However, they don't really get anything from the medium armor proficiency and they can't two-hand a wakizashi. What I do like is that it opens up the Spire Defender option so I can take proficiency with the whip and deliver touch spells with 15' reach. Not as a 'main attack' feature, but as a tactically useful ability. However, I'd give up spell recall which would definitely be a huge help to my gimped spellcasting though the ability to +5 a few choice skills that would be useful to a build like this is also pretty nice.

Anyways, opinions? Are either of these actually viable? If so, which one is the more viable? Or should I just give up and roll my pure martial Ranger Zen Archer?


Finesse build for sure, but take your magus and ninja lvls in increments of 4s. Your BaB is going to take a major hit once you go AT. I would be hesitant about this build though.

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