Ok, so my words of power caster has finally started getting into the levels where he can start customizing his spells a bit more. I wanted to try and compile a list of spell combinations I would more frequently use. This said, I came across Torture and Decelerate. Torture is a 3rd level effect word and Decelerate is a 2nd level effect word.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/words-of-power
On the table illustrating spell combinations of words, it does not list a combination of a 3rd and a 2nd word.
Now, there are two main questions.
A. Could I use the combination of these two words as a 5th level spell since that could be two 3rd level words?
B. If I boosted Decelerate, would they still gain additional attempts to save against the nauseated effect from Torture?
A) Yes.
The maximum level of the effect words contained within a wordspell depends on the level of the spell slot used and the number of words arranged in the wordspell, as noted on Table: Effect Word Combinations.
I read the effect words level can be those amounts in the table or less. though that does mean you can have effects with much higher DC's. Almost like a free heightened spell feat.
B) Yes. The boost effect for decelerate specifically says the staggered effect continues. Not any other effects.
If I understand this right: So this spell would give allow a Fort save (DC 15 + caster attribute mod) or be negated. If the fort save is failed, the target continually makes fort saves against both effects. However if the decelerate is boosted, only the nauseated effect will be removed on a successful subsequent fort save.
Yup, You have it right.
Other fun 5th level combo's: Enhanced Form (Str), Bestial Form (Bite, Claw, Pounce). +8 Str, 3 Attacks and Pounce? You know you want to melee once in a while, so go beast mode.
Paralyze Humanoid, Wrack. You get the DC of a 5th level spell, and If they Fail the save, all future saves are at -2 dew too the Sicken Effect.
Perfect Form, Boosted Accelerate. 1 Spell that Gives +4 to Str, Dex, Con and an extra move action? I think the melee classes will love you.
Boosted Disappear, Accelerate. Extra move plus improved invis.
Yea, you're going to need more 5th level slots lol.
Thanks for the quick response. One more question.
I notice that spark, flame jet, ect. (the level 0 damage spells) have the wording "If the wordspell with this effect word has only a single target, it requires a melee or ranged touch attack and does not allow a saving throw."
Can this be applied to any spell by tacking it onto one of your other spells? It would increase the spell level by at least one and limit the options to single target, yes, but if this can be applied to saving throws in general, that can be an extremely powerful boon for word casters if I am correct in this assumption.
Think 3rd level wordspell Selected Shock Frost Fingers. Am I correct to assume that per wording of Shock that they would not be able to perform a saving throw, thus they would be staggered for a round due to Frost Fingers? Admittingly, if this does work it wouldn't be able to be abused too much as Shock and so on are duration instantaneous, so you cant really use it on most debilitating spells.
In my opinion, the rule "If the save is successful, it applies to both effect words, but the result for each word can vary based on the individual word" means that a successful save against an individual word that doesn't usually give a save (like Corrosive Bolt) has no effect on that individual word (only).
So if you combine Corrosive Bolt and Paralyze Humanoid, the target would get a save every round to end the paralysis only.
Well part of the thing is that if it was mostly just applying for itself I would be expecting more along the lines of a different wording, where as sparks wording is specifying the wordspell, which from other details in words of power implies is the combination of all effect, meta, and target words. The inhibiting factor though that spark and the other level 0 words have though is that it is an instantaneous duration, meaning you would not be able to slap it onto words that have a duration that isn't instantaneous without essentially wasting a spell. Reason being, if you are using multiple effect words that have different durations in one wordspell, you go by the shortest duration and all other spells abide by it. This said, for the most part it would make it to where the wordspells would be unlikely to see much play other than ensuring that it cannot be saved against with spells mostly along the lines of evocation, and with the selected target word as well.
The wording on allot of the words really should have been cleaned up. I don't have my book, so i cant check that for yea right now.
The wording on a lot of the words really should have been cleaned up.
Actually, I think they were pretty good at saying "a wordspell with this effect word" instead of "this wordspell" in most cases. But they did miss a few.
For instance, if you boost the Altered Form effect word, one of the boosts is "This wordspell can use the selected target word." Does that mean that you can combine it with another personal-only word effect in order to create a selected target spell? I doubt that's the intent, at any rate.
You do make a pretty valid point hogarth. In that circumstance I would expect that the word, altered form, could in fact then be combined with other selected target words instead of personal-only words. You might be onto something. Still, I think this is something that should be addressed as far as the wording goes.
I would probably say the wording should be "The effect of this effect word" if applying just to the effect, and have "A wordspell with this effect word" if it is applying to the entirety of the spell. This said, it would possibly require a text overhaul to rectify the clarification. However, for the time being what you do say does make sense.