Hello. I'm making a synthesist starting at level 6. I'm a half elf, so I have 10 evolution points. What would you do with them? I'm new at this, and I want opinions. I was thinking improved natural armor, flight with a speed bonus, two pairs of arms, and a ability boost for strength. I was thing about using a biped form with a katana in each hand. With my strength score of 20 and arcane strike, if all 6 katanas hit it would deal 6d8+42 points of damage. I'm new, so I don't know if I made a mistake. Did I? Does this seem good?
Your math is correct, but you'll take a hefty penalty to hit until you have Multiweapon Fighting. Easiest way to negate this is to two-hand the katanas, since multi-weapon fighting penalties don't apply to weapons held in two hands (if i recall correctly). Look into getting power attack and your attacks should look something like this: 3d12+45 (1+1/2 str is 7, plus 6 from power attack, plus 2 from arcane strike if i remember correctly). it's only a -2 penalty to hit when compared to the giant penalty for multi-weapon fighting with katanas
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I will comment on the katanas only.
1. Even with multi-weapon fighting you're at a -4 penalty to all attacks. (off hand weapon is not light.)
2. Only 1/2 strength bonus to off hand attacks unless you have double slice. You will need twf in addition to multi-weapon fighting to meet the prereqs. Not possible at 6th level as it requires 4 feats and you have only 3.
3. Watch your WBL. Gearing up a large number of melee weapons is very inefficient.
4. You will need a free hand for casting.
What would change if I used a light weapon? Can only hands be used for casting, or can a tentacle/tail from an evolution cast too? What weapons would you recommend for my build? Thanks in advance!
You can hold a two weapon hand in one hand. you can let go or grab a weapon with one hand as a free action. you get unlimited free actions in a round. See where this is going?
Luckily for you TWF becomes Multiweapon fighting as soon as you have 3 or more arms (it's stated under Multiweapon fighting feat). I don't typically build weapon-using synthesists so I'm a bit unfamiliar with how those rules work.
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Multi-weapon fighting states it replaces Two-weapon fighting.
No where is it stated multi-weapon fighting fulfills the prerequisites for feats requiring Two-weapon fighting. This prevents creatures with multi-weapon fighting from adding additional attacks with improved twf and greater twf.
To get 6 katanas with the listed evolutions, you will need the exotic weapon proficiency. As you are using only 1 hand per weapon, letting go equals dropping your weapon. You may choose to do so as a free action. Taking exotic weapon proficiency is cheaper than martial weapon proficiency for an eidolon.
Only hands may be used for casting. Tentacles and tails do not count. There is a FAQ regarding synthesist casting without hands.
I would recommend natural weapons if your goal is a large number of attacks. If manufactured weapons are still desired, consider the Wakizashi in all hands.
Multi-weapon fighting states it replaces Two-weapon fighting.
No where is it stated multi-weapon fighting fulfills the prerequisites for feats requiring Two-weapon fighting. This prevents creatures with multi-weapon fighting from adding additional attacks with improved twf and greater twf . . .
I did not say otherwise. I simply pointed out Two-Weapon Fighting becomes Multiweapon fighting when you have 3 or more hands.
Personally I go for the claws route myself. Much easier, and I typically take a level of Master of Many Styles for a free style feat (dragon style ftw). It's pretty awesome imho.
Ok, thanks. I've thought about it and ill go with claws. With elemental damage and stuff I can manage, assuming all four claws hit, 8d6+24. Not nearly as high, but MUCH more easy to hit with. That leaves me with one last question: I have 3 evolution points left, what now? I was going to get flight, but than I thought about ability increase (str). Which one is best? Also, what should I do with the last one? Thanks in advance!
I could post my Synthesist build if you'd think it'd help.
I'd love it, thanks, but answering my questions would also be nice. Do I seem like I'm asking a lot? If I am, sorry.
Here it is:
Assimar alternate Racial abilities +2 Intelligence, Scion of Humanity, Aasimar favoured class option
Attributes: (33 point buy)
Strength 11
Dexterity 10
Constitution 10
Intelligence 14 (+2 SLA Alternate)
Wisdom 16 (+2 Racial)
Charisma 18 (+2 Racial, +1 at levels 4, 8, 12, 16, and 20)
Traits:
Magical Knack (+2 Caster level Synthesist)
Noble Scion (Add Charisma to Initiative)
Level: Feats # (Used) Evolutions Str Class Features
1st Skill Focus (Perception) 11 Monk AC Bonus
Improved Unarmed Strike
Stunning Fist
Dragon Style
Weapon Focus (NA)
2nd 3 (2) (Claws, Limbs, Legs) 16 Fused Eidolon
Natural Armor Summon Monster
Improved Natural Attack
3rd Power Attack 4 (4) Improved Ability Score 19
4th 5 (4) 19
5th Feral Combat Training 7 (6) Claws, Natural Armor 19 Shielded Meld
6th 8 (6) 21
7th Dragon Ferocity 9 (8) Improved Ability Score 24 Devotion
8th Skill Focus (Planes) 10 (8) 24
9th Eldritch Heritage 11 (9) Natural Armor 32 (Large)
10th 13 (11) Rend 33 Multiattack
11th Spell Focus (Conjuration) 14 (13) 34 Aspect
12th 15 (13) 34
13th Augmented Summons 16 (14) Natural Armor 41 Greater Shielded Meld
14th 17 (14) 41
15th Improved Eldritch Heritage 19 (17) Claws, Limbs 45
16th 20 (17) 47
17th Greater Eldritch Heritage 21 (18) Natural Armor 47
18th 22 (18) 48
19th Superior Summons 23 (23) Improved Ability Score 52 Greater Aspect
20th 25 (23) 52
Skills: (6 ranks/level)
Combat statistics by level:
1st level
HP 8 (1d8), AC 14, Str 11, Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +6
Attack: +0
+0 [BAB] +0 [Str]
Damage: 1d6
1d6
2nd level
HP 13[11] (2d8)[1d10+1], AC 19, Str 16, Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +8
Attack: +5/+5
+1 [BAB] +3 [Str] +1 [Focus]
Damage: 1d6+4
1d6 +4 [Str]
3rd level
HP 17[18] (3d8)[2d10+2), AC 21, Str 19, Fort +3, Ref +3, Will +9
Attack: +6/+6
+2 [BAB] +4 [Str] +1 [Focus] -1 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+9
1d6 +6 [Str] +3 [PA]
4th level
HP 22[24] (4d8)[3d10+3), AC 21, Str 19, Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +9
Attack: +7/+7
+3 [BAB] +4 [Str] +1 [Focus] -1 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+9
1d6 +6 [Str] +3 [PA]
5th level
HP 26[24] (5d8) [3d10+3], AC 25, Str 19, Fort +7, Ref +7, Will +11
Attack: +7/+7/+7/+7
+3 [BAB] +4 [Str] +1 [Focus] -1 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+9
1d6 +6 [Str] +3 [PA]
6th level
HP 31 [31] (6d8) [4d10+4], AC 26, Str 21, Fort +7, Ref +8, Will +11
Attack: +8/+8/+8/+8
+4 [BAB] +5 [Str] +1 [Focus] -2 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+13
1d6 +7 [Str] +6 [PA]
7th level
HP 35 [37] (7d8) [5d10+5], AC 26, Str 24, Fort +8, Ref +9, Will +16
Attack: +10/+10/+10/+10
+5 [BAB] +7 [Str] +1 [Focus] -2 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+20
1d6 +14 [Str] +6 [PA]
8th level
HP 40 [43] (8d8) [6d10+6], AC 28, Str 24, Fort +8, Ref +9, Will +16
Attack: +12/+12/+12/+12
+6 [BAB] +7 [Str] +1 [Focus] -2 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+20
1d6 +14 [Str] +6 [PA]
9th level
HP 44 [55] (9d8) [6d10+18], AC 32, Str 30, Fort +10, Ref +10, Will +17
Attack: +14/+14/+14/+14
+6 [BAB] +10 [Str] +1 [Focus] -2 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+26
1d6 +20 [Str] +6 [PA]
10th level
HP 49 [64] (10d8) [7d10+21], AC 32, Str 31, Fort +11, Ref +10, Will +17
Attack: +15/+15/+15/+15
+7 [BAB] +10 [Str] +1 [Focus] -2 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+26
1d6 +20 [Str] +6 [PA]
11th level
HP 53 [74] (11d8) [8d10+24], AC 34, Str 32, Fort +11, Ref +10, Will +18
Attack: +16/+16/+16/+16
+8 [BAB] +11 [Str] +1 [Focus] -3 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+31
1d6 +22 [Str] +9 [PA]
12th level
HP 58 [83] (12d8) [9d10+27], AC 34, Str 32, Fort +11, Ref+10, Will +18
Attack: +17/+17/+17/+17
+9 [BAB] +11 [Str] +1 [Focus] -3 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+31
1d6 +22 [Str] +9 [PA]
13th level
HP 62 [101] (13d8) [9d10+45], AC 38, Str 39, Fort +16, Ref +13, Will +21
Attack: +20/+20/+20/+20
+9 [BAB] +14 [Str] +1 [Focus] -3 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+37
1d6 +28 [Str] +9 [PA]
14th level
HP 67 [111] (14d8) [10d10+50], AC 38, Str 39, Fort +16, Ref +13, Will +21
Attack: +21/+21/+21/+21
+10 [BAB] +14 [Str] +1 [Focus] -3 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+37
1d6 +28 [Str] +9 [PA]
15th level
HP 71 [122] (15d80) [11d10+55], AC 38, Str 43, Fort +16, Ref +13, Will +22
Attack: +24/+24/+24/+24/+24/+24
+11 [BAB] +16 [Str] +1 [Focus] -3 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+41
1d6 +32 [Str] +9 [PA]
16th level
HP 76 [132] (16d8) [12d10+60], AC 40, Str 45, Fort +17, Ref +14, Will +22
Attack: +25/+25/+25/+25/+25/+25
+12 [BAB] +17 [Str] +1 [Focus] -4 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+46
1d6 +34 [Str] +12 [PA]
17th level
HP 80 [132] (17d8) [12d10+60], AC 42, Str 45, Fort +17, Ref +14, Will +23
Attack: +25/+25/+25/+25/+25/+25
+12 [BAB] +17 [Str] +1 [Focus] -4 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+46
1d6 +34 [Str] +12 [PA]
18th level
HP 85 [143] (18d8) [13d10+65], AC 44, Str 46, Fort +17, Ref +14, Will +23
Attack: +27/+27/+27/+27/+27/+27
+13 [BAB] +18 [Str] +1 [Focus] -4 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+48
1d6 +36 [Str] +12 [PA]
19th level
HP 89 [153] (19d8) [14d10+70], AC 44, Str 50, Fort +18, Ref +15, Will +24
Attack: +30/+30/+30/+30/+30/+30
+14 [BAB] +20 [Str] +1 [Focus] -4 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+52
1d6 +40 [Str] +12 [PA]
20th level
HP 94 [164] (20d8) [15d10+75], AC 44, Str 50, Fort +18, Ref +15, Will +24
Attack: +31/+31/+31/+31/+31/+31
+15 [BAB] +20 [Str] +1 [Focus] -4 [PA]
Damage: 1d6+52
1d6 +40 [Str] +12 [PA]
It uses a 33 point buy, which balances the classes better oddly enough. For 25 point but I actually recommend lowering charisma and intelligence rather than wisdom.
EDIT: It seems like seeing a claw build would help you out a bit, but I'll also add what I can. For those last 3 i would get flight and a detection ability (like scent) or the skilled evolution.