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So the various strength rings of wizardry effectively double a level of spells either 1st through 9th. So the question is, would a multi-classed wizard/sorcerer have BOTH their class spells doubled? I think so, there is nothing within the context of the explanation for the rings that would seem to indicate not. What do you think?
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Mind == Blown.
New character concept!
Not really, you should have your facts straight before making such claims. Ultimate Magus prestige class allows the advancement of spells for both prepared and spontaneous arcane casting classes. The shear volume of spells available; therefore, becomes immense--allowing the spell caster to be involved in every encounter and problem.
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Rings of Wizardry are only for lvls 1-4. Each ring only doubles one specific level of spell.
Ring of Wizardry I - doubles level 1 spells
Ring of Wizardry IV - doubles level 4 spells
As for taking a level of Bard, Sorceror, Summoner, Witch and Wizard sure you would have oodles of level 1 spells... however the guy who took 5 levels of wizard is at level 3 spells.
Add the fact that a Ring of Wizardry I is 20,000gp, would mean that the earliest you could afford it (assuming you dump all your gold into purchasing one) would be level 7. So while you are playing with oodles of level 1 spells (most cast as a level 1 spellcaster) you have a straight caster going with level 4 spells as a level 7 caster.
If you were planning to dip would be probably at most 1 level worth and into something that your would benefit from the same casting stat (ie Bard/Sorceror).
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Rings of Wizardry are only for lvls 1-4. Each ring only doubles one specific level of spell.
Ring of Wizardry I - doubles level 1 spells
Ring of Wizardry IV - doubles level 4 spellsAs for taking a level of Bard, Sorceror, Summoner, Witch and Wizard sure you would have oodles of level 1 spells... however the guy who took 5 levels of wizard is at level 3 spells.
Add the fact that a Ring of Wizardry I is 20,000gp, would mean that the earliest you could afford it (assuming you dump all your gold into purchasing one) would be level 7. So while you are playing with oodles of level 1 spells (most cast as a level 1 spellcaster) you have a straight caster going with level 4 spells as a level 7 caster.
If you were planning to dip would be probably at most 1 level worth and into something that your would benefit from the same casting stat (ie Bard/Sorceror).
The build is using the Ultimate Magus prestige class which allows both spontaneous and prepared spell casting classes to go up simultaneously. If one was to have a wizard and sorcerer both casting spells as though they were lets say 7th level, and one were to obtain a ring of wizardry III then the doubling of both classes level 3 spells is well... very appealing
Don't know about DnD, but in Pathfinder the Ring of Wizardry is pretty much the best arcane caster ring you can get. Much better than Spell storing or whatever. And since Wizards can add magical properties to their bonded object without spending a feat, you could actually get one at half price.
Though you probably need to find someone to cast that limited wish for you if you want to use the ring any before level 13.
But pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.
Pearls of power are nice but they only allow you to recall spells already cast not prepare extra {different} spells.
As for over multiclassing the problem is you end up with a crap load of low level spells and no high level spells.
What ends up happening is "you cast 1 of your 35 magic missiles and your foe with his shield spell, just disintegrates you because he can."
Been there, sounds cool, but its not that cool.
But pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.
Why not use both? The ring to memorize as many different spells as possible and the pearls to cast them as often as possible.
Oh, and spontaneous casters can't use pearls so for them the ring is the only choice.
But pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.
Slight note to consider:
A Ring of Wizardry allows you to prepare different spells in your extra slots.
So if you had 4 slots to start with, the ring of wizardry gives you four more... so a wizard could prepare: magic missile, mage armor, shield, Unseen Servant, Mount, Floating Disc, chill touch, and charm person.
IF instead you had four pearls of power you would still only have the first four of those prepared.
Now if you had both the pearls of power and the ring then you could have eight different spells prepared and repeat the ones you want later with the pearls of power.
Overall pearls of power are much better -- but the rings still have their place... especially since summoners, bards, and sorcerers can't use the pearls at all.
But pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.Why not use both? The ring to memorize as many different spells as possible and the pearls to cast them as often as possible.
Oh, and spontaneous casters can't use pearls so for them the ring is the only choice.
+1 my thoughts precisely.
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But pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.Pearls of power are nice but they only allow you to recall spells already cast not prepare extra {different} spells.
As for over multiclassing the problem is you end up with a crap load of low level spells and no high level spells.
What ends up happening is "you cast 1 of your 35 magic missiles and your foe with his shield spell, just disintegrates you because he can."
Been there, sounds cool, but its not that cool.
It is very cool if done right. Ultimate Magus prestige class takes care of that as well as the feat practised spellcaster
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It is very cool if done right. Ultimate Magus prestige class takes care of that as well as the feat practised spellcasterBut pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.Pearls of power are nice but they only allow you to recall spells already cast not prepare extra {different} spells.
As for over multiclassing the problem is you end up with a crap load of low level spells and no high level spells.
What ends up happening is "you cast 1 of your 35 magic missiles and your foe with his shield spell, just disintegrates you because he can."
Been there, sounds cool, but its not that cool.
Practised spellcaster was a 3.5 feat, not currently available in Pathfinder (unless there is a book I haven't seen yet. :)
Practised spellcaster was a 3.5 feat, not currently available in Pathfinder (unless there is a book I haven't seen yet. :)It is very cool if done right. Ultimate Magus prestige class takes care of that as well as the feat practised spellcasterBut pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.Pearls of power are nice but they only allow you to recall spells already cast not prepare extra {different} spells.
As for over multiclassing the problem is you end up with a crap load of low level spells and no high level spells.
What ends up happening is "you cast 1 of your 35 magic missiles and your foe with his shield spell, just disintegrates you because he can."
Been there, sounds cool, but its not that cool.
Neither is the Ultimate Magus Prestige class... so what's your point?
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Neither is the Ultimate Magus Prestige class... so what's your point?Practised spellcaster was a 3.5 feat, not currently available in Pathfinder (unless there is a book I haven't seen yet. :)It is very cool if done right. Ultimate Magus prestige class takes care of that as well as the feat practised spellcasterBut pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.Pearls of power are nice but they only allow you to recall spells already cast not prepare extra {different} spells.
As for over multiclassing the problem is you end up with a crap load of low level spells and no high level spells.
What ends up happening is "you cast 1 of your 35 magic missiles and your foe with his shield spell, just disintegrates you because he can."
Been there, sounds cool, but its not that cool.
My point is that Pathfinder is not the end all be all and for those people that act like it is you are just "jock-straps" who jump on anything new that comes along thinking its the latest and greatest. Frankly I dont even prescribe to most of the Pathfinder rules and still abide by 3.5 which I personally feel is superior. Don't turn this into a pissing match nor a competition of semantics please.
My point is that Pathfinder is not the end all be all and for those people that act like it is you are just "jock-straps" who jump on anything new that comes along thinking its the latest and greatest. Frankly I dont even prescribe to most of the Pathfinder rules and still abide by 3.5 which I personally feel is superior. Don't turn this into a pissing match nor a competition of semantics please.
Neither is the Ultimate Magus Prestige class... so what's your point?
Karnas I was talking to Mister W. John Hare about what his point was.
After all he pointed out that practised spellcaster was 3.5 not pathfinder.
Which is kind of silly considering we were already talking about a 3.5 prestige class...
which was my point. That since we already left the realm of pathfinder and brought in the 3.5 prestige class that he couldn't really say, "Oh but that feat is 3.5 not pathfinder."
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My point is that Pathfinder is not the end all be all and for those people that act like it is you are just "jock-straps" who jump on anything new that comes along thinking its the latest and greatest. Frankly I dont even prescribe to most of the Pathfinder rules and still abide by 3.5 which I personally feel is superior. Don't turn this into a pissing match nor a competition of semantics please.
Neither is the Ultimate Magus Prestige class... so what's your point?
Karnas I was talking to Mister W. John Hare about what his point was.
After all he pointed out that practised spellcaster was 3.5 not pathfinder.
Which is kind of silly considering we were already talking about a 3.5 prestige class...
which was my point. That since we already left the realm of pathfinder and brought in the 3.5 prestige class that he couldn't really say, "Oh but that feat is 3.5 not pathfinder."
O my--- my bad, I didnt mean to seem so gruff and I am the one with egg on his face. My apologizes. I guess I get a little defensive when it seems like so many people want to throw out all the wonderful tomes, i.e. the complete series et.el., and only adopt Pathfinder as the end all be all. I believe there is room for a heterogenous mixture of the both.
But once again I humbly apologize the misinterpretation.
Such is life. No worries. I like the ulti-magus... but it is a hard one to work with.
Not really, you should have your facts straight before making such claims. Ultimate Magus prestige class allows the advancement of spells for both prepared and spontaneous arcane casting classes. The shear volume of spells available; therefore, becomes immense--allowing the spell caster to be involved in every encounter and problem.Mind == Blown.
New character concept!
Not exactly sure what set you off about AM's post, either. Looks to me like he/she is admiring the possibilities.
Maybe taking the chip off your shoulder would be a good idea?
Come to think of it, it there a rule against using the same kind of ring twice? I mean, two rings of deflection would cearly not stack (same kind of bonus) but Rings of Wizardry don't really have a bonus type. Having like +8 level 4 spell slots as a Wizard would be pretty awesome. But then again, 2 different RoWs (like one for level 1 and one for level 3 or something) would probably be much better for versatility.
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Neither is the Ultimate Magus Prestige class... so what's your point?Practised spellcaster was a 3.5 feat, not currently available in Pathfinder (unless there is a book I haven't seen yet. :)It is very cool if done right. Ultimate Magus prestige class takes care of that as well as the feat practised spellcasterBut pearls of power are cheaper and just as awesome. And they don't use up a slot.Pearls of power are nice but they only allow you to recall spells already cast not prepare extra {different} spells.
As for over multiclassing the problem is you end up with a crap load of low level spells and no high level spells.
What ends up happening is "you cast 1 of your 35 magic missiles and your foe with his shield spell, just disintegrates you because he can."
Been there, sounds cool, but its not that cool.
Hmm, obviously I missed the point of this being about the Ultimate Magus Prestige class, for some reason I thought the discussion was working on the forthcoming Magus class... I blame my mistake on lack of sleep. My apologies.