How do we compute DCs of racial spell-like abilities?


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Specifically, do we add an ability modifier? It's clear that we add an ability modifier to a spell granted from a class spell list: Clerics use Wisdom, Wizards use Intelligence, etc.

But what about a spell-like ability granted by virtue of being of a certain race? For example, the svirfneblin's blindness/deafness spell-like ability?


Pretty sure SLA are Cha based unless stated otherwise. I think it goes 10 + spell level + Cha.


Robert is correct.


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But spell levels are class based. What is the level of lesser restoration for a monster with no class levels?

(Pretty sure I know the answer to this, but elaborating on it may help the OP and others.)


All SLA are wizard spells unless it's not on their list. Otherwise its a druid or cleric spell, if it isnt those then its bard or paladin. It has a set order but i dont recall.


Robert A Matthews wrote:
Pretty sure SLA are Cha based unless stated otherwise. I think it goes 10 + spell level + Cha.

Thanks. Just out of curiosity, where is this rule?


Ravingdork wrote:

But spell levels are class based. What is the level of lesser restoration for a monster with no class levels?

(Pretty sure I know the answer to this, but elaborating on it may help the OP and others.)

The SLA goes by the level of the spell it replicates.

If it appears on more than one caster list the order is:
Quote:
Some spell-like abilities duplicate spells that work differently when cast by characters of different classes. A monster's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order.


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And if a spell-like ability only appears on a secondary class' list, such as inquisitor what is the DC formula then?


The Rot Grub wrote:
Robert A Matthews wrote:
Pretty sure SLA are Cha based unless stated otherwise. I think it goes 10 + spell level + Cha.
Thanks. Just out of curiosity, where is this rule?

It is under the universal monster rules under the spell-like ability heading..

Quote:
The saving throw (if any) against a spell-like ability is 10 + the level of the spell the ability resembles or duplicates + the creature's Charisma modifier.


Ravingdork wrote:
And if a spell-like ability only appears on a secondary class' list, such as inquisitor what is the DC formula then?

The inquisitor list. Yeah there is not RAW for it, but the primary class list is what you would go by.

I am assuming you are about to go in devil's advocate mode, but I think the average gamer can figure this one out.


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About to? I thought I had already started. :P

It would definitely be a corner case to have a monster with a spell-like ability that showed up on one or more non-core classes, but none of the core classes.

Might not even exist (yet).


Bestiary 4 will probably have one. You can start a thread and ask people to hit the FAQ button. :)


You can puzzle it out this way:
Assuming it goes Wizard->Cleric->Druid->Bard->Paladin->Ranger
Each class has a maximum spell level of 9, 9, 9, 6, 4, 4 respectively.
So you do the same for base classes
Witch = 9
Magus = 6
Inquisitor = 6
Summoner = 6
(Would alchemist even count?) = 6

So a spell that is only on a base class spell list and not a core class list would probably default to witch, and then any order of the others. Are there any spells that fall on 2 base class spell lists that aren't on any core class spell list? It seems that would be rather rare.

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