Characters, Class Features, and Sources


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

I see references throughout the Pathfinder RPG rules that constantly refer to a "source" or "sources" regarding abilities, class features and things of the sort. However, what I am not able to find is an exact statement or ruling on what exactly a "source" is, really (I searched and researched, but still failed to find anything concrete [maybe my skills just suck, lol]). Here is an example that sparked my thought:

What exactly is the source of power of a character's class feature... Is the source of power the class feature itself regardless of whoever uses it, or is the source of power of a class feature derived from the player character, specifically?


Care to provide an example from the PRD?

Liberty's Edge

Buri wrote:
Care to provide an example from the PRD?

Here is an example: The Ranger archetype, Freebooter has an ability called freebooter's bane (EX) which gives you and your party +1/+1 untyped bonus to attack and damage against one target as a move action until dismissed or the creature perishes. So, is the Freebooter's Bane (EX) archetype class-feature the source of the power itself regardless of whoever is using it, or is source of the power coming from the player character utilizing the extraordinary power, specifically?

Grand Lodge

Usually when referring to a "source", a poster means the book, and page, in which the relevant ability, or rule, is written.

It can sometimes refer to a FAQ or Errata on the Paizo site as well.

Liberty's Edge

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Usually when referring to a "source", a poster means the book, and page, in which the relevant ability, or rule, is written.

It can sometimes refer to a FAQ or Errata on the Paizo site as well.

Concerning Bonuses:

The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.

So, the "source" mentioned in the above paragraph about bonuses refers to a book and page number? Is there somewhere in the Pathfinder rules that defines the term, source? I cannot seem to find that information, if it exists.

Grand Lodge

Ah, that source.


Cronge wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Usually when referring to a "source", a poster means the book, and page, in which the relevant ability, or rule, is written.

It can sometimes refer to a FAQ or Errata on the Paizo site as well.

Concerning Bonuses:

The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.

So, the "source" mentioned in the above paragraph about bonuses refers to a book and page number? Is there somewhere in the Pathfinder rules that defines the term, source? I cannot seem to find that information, if it exists.

In regards to that, the 'source' could be a class feature, a feat, a trait, spell or any number of things. Basically it is referring to what provides the bonus.

Liberty's Edge

Skylancer4 wrote:
Cronge wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Usually when referring to a "source", a poster means the book, and page, in which the relevant ability, or rule, is written.

It can sometimes refer to a FAQ or Errata on the Paizo site as well.

Concerning Bonuses:

The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.

So, the "source" mentioned in the above paragraph about bonuses refers to a book and page number? Is there somewhere in the Pathfinder rules that defines the term, source? I cannot seem to find that information, if it exists.

In regards to that, the 'source' could be a class feature, a feat, a trait, spell or any number of things. Basically it is referring to what provides the bonus.

So you are saying that the source is the class feature itself and not the player character using the class-feature? If this is true do you have a reference in the rules where this is stated?


It's not and it doesn't really matter. The character could no more benefit from the same feat twice regardless if the feat or the character were the source of the benefit.

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