Pathfinder as a class


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Please correct me if someone has already done this or brought it up before, but has anyone ever created a literal Pathfinder class?

Pathfinders are supposed to be specially trained in a lot of fields and seem to be a pretty awesome starting class to later specialize into another class. Pathfinders are trained in areas "Covering not only combat and arms training, but also scholarly work - history, magic theory, research assistance. While in training, initiates will do work for the society - everything from guard duty, mundane cleaning, and research assistance - both to help train the initiate, and to filter-out only the most dedicated to becoming a Pathfinder."

I had the thought that an optional prestige class for lvl 1 players would be interesting. A kinda jack of all trades, master of none starting point.

Something like this:

Pathfinder

Hit Die: d8
BAB: +1 Fort save: +1 Ref save: +1 Will save: +1

Start with 2 lvl 0 spell slots, prepared as a wizard. light armor training, simple weapons, longsword, bows, crossbows, and spear proficiency.

Class skills everything from cartography and survival to history and spellcraft.

You would only be able to take a single level in the prestige class, but you can take it at any time, assuming you can get in good with the Pathfinder society, or you are starting at lvl 1.

TL:DR its a one level dip prestige class to represent pathfinder society training which isn't represented.

Thoughts?


There is the Pathfinder Chronicler prestige class from the Core Rulebook. I'm not a huge fan of the Pathfinders though.


Daethor wrote:

There is the Pathfinder Chronicler prestige class from the Core Rulebook. I'm not a huge fan of the Pathfinders though.

Thats pretty much a Bard prestige class. I don't like it...

My intent is to provide a prestige class/dip that covers what the Pathfinders are specifically mentioned being trained in.


There are also the Pathfinder Delver and Pathfinder Savant from Seekers of Secrets.


JTibbs wrote:
Daethor wrote:

There is the Pathfinder Chronicler prestige class from the Core Rulebook. I'm not a huge fan of the Pathfinders though.

Thats pretty much a Bard prestige class. I don't like it...

My intent is to provide a prestige class/dip that covers what the Pathfinders are specifically mentioned being trained in.

A 1-level PrC is unheard of. Write it up as a 3-level PrC and you're onto something.


You could just pick a fitting Bard Archetype and rename / reskin it as the Pathfinder base class.


Icyshadow wrote:
You could just pick a fitting Bard Archetype and rename / reskin it as the Pathfinder base class.

Archaeologist? :)

Silver Crusade

I think Jtibbs is doing something interesting. He is trying to represent the broad training one receives from the years of training one receives at Grand Lodge before graduating and becoming a pathfinder.

Of course this is something unheard of. Why not have a prestige class designed to be taking at first level to represent the culmination of your training?

Perhaps one way to do this, in a home campaign, is to give every character a “free” level in this classs which will represent their training prior to being named Pathfinders

“Hit Die: d8 
BAB: +1 Fort save: +1 Ref save: +1 Will save: +1”

I like the D8 hit die BaB+1, I would prefer a +1 +1 +0 for beginning saves, and line the saves up according to what class they want to go into. So for example if the player is planning to go into cleric he would have Ft+1 RF +0 WL +1

Start with 2 lvl 0 spell slots, prepared as a wizard. light armor training, simple weapons, longsword, bows, crossbows, and spear proficiency.

I would suggest perhaps 2 0) level spells can spontaneously cast. Usable 3+ ability modifier (Ie int for wiz Cha for sorc etc) Save DC 10+ ½ level + ability modifer
Perhaps: light armor training ( still has arcane spell failure) simple weapons, Longsword, spears.

Class skills everything from cartography and survival to history and spellcraft.

Skills Pick six skills 3 knowledge skills, 3 other skills (Ie perception Diplomacy stealth)
You would only be able to take a single level in the prestige class, but you can take it at any time, assuming you can get in good with the Pathfinder society, or you are starting at lvl 1.

Why not restrict it to 1st level characters or “pre” first level, because it represents prior training in the grand lodge.

just some of my thoughts.

I Hope this helps,


ElyasRavenwood wrote:

I think Jtibbs is doing something interesting. He is trying to represent the broad training one receives from the years of training one receives at Grand Lodge before graduating and becoming a pathfinder.

Of course this is something unheard of. Why not have a prestige class designed to be taking at first level to represent the culmination of your training?

Perhaps one way to do this, in a home campaign, is to give every character a “free” level in this classs which will represent their training prior to being named Pathfinders

“Hit Die: d8 
BAB: +1 Fort save: +1 Ref save: +1 Will save: +1”

I like the D8 hit die BaB+1, I would prefer a +1 +1 +0 for beginning saves, and line the saves up according to what class they want to go into. So for example if the player is planning to go into cleric he would have Ft+1 RF +0 WL +1

Start with 2 lvl 0 spell slots, prepared as a wizard. light armor training, simple weapons, longsword, bows, crossbows, and spear proficiency.

I would suggest perhaps 2 0) level spells can spontaneously cast. Usable 3+ ability modifier (Ie int for wiz Cha for sorc etc) Save DC 10+ ½ level + ability modifer
Perhaps: light armor training ( still has arcane spell failure) simple weapons, Longsword, spears.

Class skills everything from cartography and survival to history and spellcraft.

Skills Pick six skills 3 knowledge skills, 3 other skills (Ie perception Diplomacy stealth)
You would only be able to take a single level in the prestige class, but you can take it at any time, assuming you can get in good with the Pathfinder society, or you are starting at lvl 1.

Why not restrict it to 1st level characters or “pre” first level, because it represents prior training in the grand lodge.

just some of my thoughts.

I Hope this helps,

The starting with a couple 0 level spell slots cast like a wizard was supposed to mimic the 3.x 'Magical Training' feat which let anyone learn how to cast 0 level spells like a wizard.


Instead of a level, how about a package of traits?

This is to keep ahead of the "tougher than they should be" aspect without dumping on the "breath of education" provided by the Society as a supplement to the character's first class level. Doing this package abrogates the normal rule about not taking more than one trait from a category, which is perfectly fine as all the PCs are getting basically the same package.

For example:

1 class-specific Pathfinder Society trait (example: Berserker of the Society).

2 traits that grant the ability to cast a 0-level spell as a spell-like ability.

6 traits that grant a bonus to one or more skills. Additionally, such traits that contain language such as "is always a class skill" or "becomes a class skill" is considered to be a skill in which your character is trained, granting the +3 bonus for having a rank in that skill even if the character does not have a rank in that skill.

2 traits that grant a trait bonus on saving throws.

1 Combat trait of choice.

A +3 trait bonus to the character's total number of hit points.

The idea here is to reflect the OPs idea of what that training means while leaving much of it in the players' hands without adding actual hit dice and BAB into the equation.

Silver Crusade

I think Turin's idea of a package of traits is an excellent idea.

It seems much more manageable.

As Turin pointed out, traits that grant" X skill as a class skill" would be great because it could easily represent broad training.

You could take a trait that grants disable device to a character and then you could say have a fighter with disable device. Why does he have the skill? well he picked it up in his pathfinder training.

I think Turin's idea is a good one.


I'm reminded of The Delver from Legends and Lairs "Path of Shadow" book as well as the Archivist from WotC's "Heroes of Horror".

Silver Crusade

I do like the traits idea, although I'm uncertain if you meant each of those as a different option or that every pathfinder gets all of them (in which case I think it'd be a bit overboard)

There was a class for 3.x in Dungeonscape called Factotum, which was a bit of everything. Their class skill list just said "all," had a 3/4 BAB, simple and martial weapons, light armor and shields, and got a host of abilities connected to an "inspiration point" pool that let them temporarily take on any basic role a certain number of times per day--i.e. they could cast some wizard spells, heal, sneak attack, boost their AC/attack/damage, etc.

It's not exactly what you're looking for, but it does have the same kind of flavor so it might be worth a look.


Hmm...

I like the trait idea, but you'd have to be playing a 'high' trait quantity game. And maybe have a slightly higher minimum starting age.

so maybe allow 4 traits, but they'd all have to be from a specific Pathfinder list?

2 knowledge/skill traits, 1 combat trait, and one 'magical training' trait OR slightly too comprehensive to be a trait. similar to what someone said.

Knowledge skill traits:
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Trait 1: Knowledge Arcana and Skill Spellcraft always class skills for you.
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Trait 2: Skill Perception, Profession servant/guard always class skills
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Trait 3: Knowledge History, Skill survival, skill cartography always class skills.
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Combat traits:
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... someone please figure something out lol. I can't seem to think of anything thats not already done that is thematically correct.
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And for the last trait you either choose Magical Training (2 level zero spell like abilties, Arcane only) if you are a non-magic class, and Light armor, simple weapon, and longsword/shortspear proficiency for non martial classes.

these traits are kinda more than 'traits', but it seems to be the best way to represent the Pathfinder training without going overboard with prestige classes or extra feats...

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I thought this thread was going to be about an educational class for Pathfinder and if anyone has ever taught one before.

Expectations mismanaged :(

Silver Crusade

Robert Brookes wrote:

I thought this thread was going to be about an educational class for Pathfinder and if anyone has ever taught one before.

Expectations mismanaged :(

I took a GM 101 class at a convention once. Does that count?


Robert Brookes wrote:

I thought this thread was going to be about an educational class for Pathfinder and if anyone has ever taught one before.

Expectations mismanaged :(

Sorry about that.

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