CelticDragon38
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I have several questions about Eidolon design. If one wants to design a creature built like a pterosaur, bat, bird,or wyvern, do they have that option? Here are the issues I'm running into.
1)Wings
Do wings need to be treated as additional limbs that sprout, or can they be already-present limbs that evolve into wings? The rules aren't clear on this- "An eidolon grows large wings, like those of a bat, bird, insect, or dragon, gaining the ability to fly."
2)Dropping free limbs?
If the answer to the above is "they must be a new pair of limbs", can one just drop a pair of free limbs? There would be no advantage to doing so other than cosmetic. Mechanics-wise, it would actually be a disadvantage because you lose possible avenues of attack.
3)Quadruped or biped?
Birds are obviously bipeds. Bats and pterosaurs are both quadrupeds when walking on the ground. But one could conceivably design a wyvern or other fantastical creature to walk on fours and run on two.
Thanks in advance for your input.
| Robert Matthews 166 |
Wings do not require limbs if it does not say that they do. Notice the slam evolution and the other natural attacks specifically state that it requires the limbs evolution. Eidolons are supposed to be fantastical creatures anyway that dont really look like anything from the material world. That said, you can make them look however you want really.
| David knott 242 |
Wings do not require or replace limbs, which actually rules out the biped and quadruped base forms for creatures who have two wings, two legs, and no arms. You are basically stuck with either the serpentine or the aquatic base form, and even then you must wait until 5th level to give the eidolon working wings. Both forms have free evolutions that you might not want.
You would have to track down a 3rd party product to have a strictly "avian" base form that can fly from 1st level.
| MrSin |
Serpentine might be able to evolve into some sort of wyvern, alternatively you could imagine the arms as having the wings and going with quadraped. The downside of serpentine however is that you don't get pounce, which happens to be amazing for the Eidolons mobility and a boon to any melee combatant.
To my knowledge you can't drop limbs, however you decide what they are and how they are shaped. The nice thing about eidolon is they are shaped by your imagination and there aren't many limits beyond your GM telling you you've gone too far.