Casting Lightning while levitating


Rules Questions


Is there a concentration check required if a sorceror or wizard casts levitate on themselves in one round and then casts lightning on another round? Is this allowed?

Liberty's Edge

Levitate pretty clearly specifies melee and ranged attacks not mentioning spells. If there was a penalty it would mention it.
So no Concentration check for lightning bolt but if he cast scorching ray it would be penalized as it is a ranged attack.

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Thank you. Why is there a concentration check for scorching ray but not lightning bolt?


Scorching ray is a ranged touch attack.

Shadow Lodge

Either both spells would require a Concentration check or neither of them would. Levitate specifies that attacks take a -1 to a -5 penulty to attack rolls. Schorching Ray does require an Attack Roll, but Lightning Bolt does not.

From Concentration:
Affected by a non-damaging spell while casting = DC of the spell + spell level

Vigorous motion while casting = 10 + spell level

Liberty's Edge

"Devil's Advocate" wrote:

Either both spells would require a Concentration check or neither of them would. Levitate specifies that attacks take a -1 to a -5 penulty to attack rolls. Schorching Ray does require an Attack Roll, but Lightning Bolt does not.

From Concentration:
Affected by a non-damaging spell while casting = DC of the spell + spell level

Vigorous motion while casting = 10 + spell level

I considered that. The first option doesn't apply as there's no real DC for levitate.

And I dismissed the second as bobbing slightly isn't what I would call "vigorous motion". You're pretty much just hovering in zero gravity.

If the GM really feels levitate should throw off your aim then the first might be the best bet. The DC would be the theoretical DC of levitate (12+stat) plus spell level of the offensive spell. Probably a Concentration check of DC 19 or so. Even odds for a 5th level caster.


Jester David wrote:

Levitate pretty clearly specifies melee and ranged attacks not mentioning spells. If there was a penalty it would mention it.

So no Concentration check for lightning bolt but if he cast scorching ray it would be penalized as it is a ranged attack.

Would the penalty really apply to ranged touch spells though?

The penalty for ranged weapon attacks seems to be more about needing stable footing because bows and other physical weapons have some recoil.
An aimed spell shouldn't have any recoil, so you wouldn't start wobbling in the air during or after like you would with using a bow.


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Jeven wrote:

Would the penalty really apply to ranged touch spells though?

The penalty for ranged weapon attacks seems to be more about needing stable footing because bows and other physical weapons have some recoil.
An aimed spell shouldn't have any recoil, so you wouldn't start wobbling in the air during or after like you would with using a bow.

There's no recoil, but the caster is still changing position to aim the spell.

Think of shooting a laser tag gun while dangling in a harness on a rope. There's no recoil, but just shifting your body and arms causes you to sway and bob, interfering with keeping your aim steady.


Are there two concentration checks, one for levitate and one for scorching ray? If there is one check do both spells fail if the concentration check fails?


noblejohn wrote:
Are there two concentration checks, one for levitate and one for scorching ray? If there is one check do both spells fail if the concentration check fails?

There's no concentration check at all.

Levitate makes no mention of concentration checks, so barring GM fiat, there are none.

Scorching Ray, however, does require a ranged attack roll, and since, as a ray, it counts as a weapon for the purposes of feats and effects that roll would be penalized, like any other ranged weapon, as described in Levitate.


Got it. Thanks!

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