Natural Attacks and Unarmed / Normal Questions

[wolfen]

Ok so I am making a barbarian/monk build and I was curious on a few things.

1. Since monk gets an Unarmed damage bonus would this apply to natural weapons as well. (I am unsure but I believe sadly this works the same as a barbarians DR and trying to add admantine. IRL it makes sense but in game does not work that way.)

2. If a character has multiple natural attacks (Tengu w/ bite and barb with beast totem) could he say wield a greatsword making his normal set of attacks and then follow up with his natural weapons? (at a -5 penalty for being secondary at that point)

3. Lastly if a character (again tengu w/ claws and barbarian w/ beast totem) already has claws on his hands could he choose for the next location to be his feet as many monsters use both hand and feet type claws?

[Hawktitan]

1) No.

2) You could use a greatsword and a bite. You could not make claw attacks with the limbs used for attacking with the greatsword.

3) This is a 'ask your GM' thing. Actually very few monsters have claws on there feet - in most cases they would be called talons. The rules for building edilions do call out that you can put one pair of claws on the feet but I think that most people would say that is an exception to the general rule - claws go on hands. You would be much safer to assume that you can't do this.

[Mathwei ap Niall]

1. Normally no, the unarmed bonus would not affect your natural attacks. However if you take the Feral Combat Training feat then not only could you flurry with your Natural Weapons they would also get the unarmed strike damage then.

2. Yes you can as long as your natural attacks use different limbs then what you are wielding your manufactured weapons with (ie your hands for a greatsword so no claws). Also those natural attacks would be at -5 to hit AND only get 1/2 strength bonus to damage.

3. No. Claws only go on your hands/forepaws. If you want to use your feet you will need to find a way to get Talons (the foot version of claws).

[ShakaUVM]

1) No, and not even with Feral Combat Training.

2) You can only combine manufactured and natural weapons if they use different limbs. Claws and greatswords use the same limbs.

3) No.

Also, make sure you're aware of the alignment restrictions on both barbarians and monks.

It's possible to work around it, just make sure you are doing so.

[Skylancer4]

Mathwei ap Niall wrote:

1. Normally no, the unarmed bonus would not affect your natural attacks. However if you take the Feral Combat Training feat then not only could you flurry with your Natural Weapons they would also get the unarmed strike damage then.

Unarmed strike damage increases aren't an 'effect' that augments unarmed strikes. At any particular level the damage is 'set' at whatever is listed on the table, At level X damage is Y. It isn't an augment, but a 'static' amount that unarmed strike's damage changes to depending on the monks level. FCT doesn't grant US damage to the natural attack, it allows the natural weapon to be used in place of an US.

[Mathwei ap Niall]

Skylancer4 wrote:

Mathwei ap Niall wrote:

1. Normally no, the unarmed bonus would not affect your natural attacks. However if you take the Feral Combat Training feat then not only could you flurry with your Natural Weapons they would also get the unarmed strike damage then.

Unarmed strike damage increases aren't an 'effect' that augments unarmed strikes. At any particular level the damage is 'set' at whatever is listed on the table, At level X damage is Y. It isn't an augment, but a 'static' amount that unarmed strike's damage changes to depending on the monks level. FCT doesn't grant US damage to the natural attack, it allows the natural weapon to be used in place of an US.

That is still up for debate. The Devs have clarified that the term "effect" includes class abilities that modify a normal rule and the monk has a class ability that modifies the normal rule on UAS.

But since I have no desire to rehash that debate again I'll just leave it at that.