How scary is this feat?


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A player in the game I'm running is really gung-ho about transformation based disguises (i.e. I'm going to turn into a bird and fly up this tree), and wants a way to share them with the rest of the party, via magic item/new spell/whatever.

After putting some thought into it, the easiest way to give him what he wanted that I could come up with was a new metamagic feat (single level increase): polymorph subschool spells with a range of personal may be cast as touch spells on willing recipients.

So, if you really need to pass the whole party off as half-orcs and don't want to give the charade up by casting light spells, blow a level 3 slot per party member of alter self boosted to alter other, and you're good to go. Same with monstrous physique, beast shape, etc.

Question is, is there some case I'm forgetting where one of these spells, even in a higher level slot, is obscenely broken when you can cast it on someone with full BAB?

Grand Lodge

yeah...any polymorph spell that makes you large or huge humanoid...like say giant form.

The Exchange

Make a new spell.

Or use illusions. Veil and seeming come to mind.


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Since the player wants to do this for disguises, maybe add a restriction that the spell ends if the polymorphed/disguised creature makes an attack. You may also want to prevent any spellcasting as well (to avoid the whole "summoning spells aren't attacks" category of cheese).

Maybe make a whole new set of Mass ___ Form spells with these restrictions - one that allows form of "small harmless animals" (including birds), one that allows disguise as humanoids, one that allows specific useful larger creatures such as horses...

Shadow Lodge

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Alchemists can share them with the infusion discovery, they get most of the polymorph spells he would want.


Transfer Spell should prove useful

Scarab Sages

The Form line of wordspells can do this already. You boost the spell and add 1 spell level to make it selected (1 Target). You can boost the selected target word to make it multiple targets at an even higher spell level.

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Googleshng wrote:
Question is, is there some case I'm forgetting where one of these spells, even in a higher level slot, is obscenely broken when you can cast it on someone with full BAB?

Transformation comes to mind. Cast on say a barbarian or even a rogue it could get pretty ugly. Though I suppose no more ugly than a sorc using it on her animal companion gained from Sylvan bloodline, that ape was mean!


I would create a new spell/string of spells that creates a "fragile transformation" that allows you to move and do most things, but if you perform anything strenuous (like attacking) the spell breaks or you have to make a concentration check to maintain it.


Why not Make Communal or mass verision of the spell of spell "X" and be done with it?

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