Two weapon defense legal in PFS??

[Lamontia]

Hi all,

I recently got an update for Hero Lab, in which I have the PFS content, and it was showing that Two Weapon Defense, as written, is legal in PFS. I recall that in an earlier version it was greyed out, and I had a PFS GM state that it was not legal in society.

I did a little searching and was unable to find anything saying that it was banned in PFS.

Does anyone know if the rules on this have changed recently? Either way, if someone could point me to where I can find it listed as legal/illegal, it would be much appreciated!

Thanks! :)

[MrSin]

Its from core rulebook and has no way to be abused. I can't see why it would be banned in the first place. Its legal to my knowledge and additional resources doesn't say otherwise as far as I can tell.

[Jiggy]

As Two-Weapon Defense is in the Core Rulebook, it is legal by default unless the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play explicitly says otherwise.

Also, be careful of using HeroLab for PFS. It's not always correct on what's legal and what's not, and its data packs are not legal sources for non-Core content for PFS (i.e., you still need to bring the actual book/PDF for any non-Core character options you use).

[Lamontia]

My mistake... I meant OFFENSIVE Defense, not Two Weapon Defense. It is found in the APG, and I know that there has been significant debate about it.

"When a rogue with this talent hits a creature with a melee attack that deals sneak attack damage, the rogue gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC for each sneak attack die rolled for one round."

Thanks!

[MrSin]

Not on the list of not legal things for APG. So should be legal. Double checked that one just now.

[Jiggy]

The Additional Resources page is the authoritative document on what's PFS-legal, regardless of what HeroLab or your GM or anyone else says. Always check there.

Also, I seem to recall something about errata to Offensive Defense, or a FAQ or something... I'll do some digging.

[Jiggy]

Ah, here we go: be aware of this FAQ.

[Oladon]

There was an FAQ about it which didn't have any official changes, but suggested that DMs adjudicate it as a dodge bonus which does not stack with itself and applies only versus the sneak-attacked foe.

Ah, Jiggy, you ninja.

[MrSin]

That faqs was over a year ago. Thats not a very definitive answer is it? Its still really nice to have 1/2 your rogue level added to AC though. I think.

[Lamontia]

Thanks for researching this!

I do wish that their was a more definitive answer on it stacking from 2 attacks. Though having a +3 AC, while not as good as a +6, is not too shabby! Even with the limitations, it's still definitely a good option for a rogue talent.

[Jiggy]

MrSin wrote:

That faqs was over a year ago. Thats not a very definitive answer is it?

Well, as far as PFS goes, the Official FAQ is considered binding, and GMs are supposed to apply common sense in their adjudications. If a player comes to my table honestly believing I should ignore that FAQ's guidance, they're going to be disappointed.

[MrSin]

Oh no, I meant the faqs didn't give a clear definition as far as I can tell. It was worded as a suggestion. In PFS do we go with that? I played for a few months, just never encounted a rogue with that ability.