Augment Summoning, Wands, and Metamagic-Enhanced Enchanting


Rules Questions


There is of course an official ruling that you can't apply metamagic feats or Augment Summoning and similar effects to a wand spell. But there's also the rule that you can enchant a wand with a pre-metamagically-enhanced spell.

Is it possible to craft a wand of summon monster X with Augment Summoning built in? Augment Summoning isn't a metamagic feat and doesn't change the spell's level. How would one calculate the extra cost of such a thing, or of a wand using related summoning-enhancement feats?


Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:

There is of course an official ruling that you can't apply metamagic feats or Augment Summoning and similar effects to a wand spell. But there's also the rule that you can enchant a wand with a pre-metamagically-enhanced spell.

Is it possible to craft a wand of summon monster X with Augment Summoning built in? Augment Summoning isn't a metamagic feat and doesn't change the spell's level. How would one calculate the extra cost of such a thing, or of a wand using related summoning-enhancement feats?

Probably not because there's no way outside of ad-hocing the price to determine the effect on the spell's value. With metamagic you are raising its effective level for pricing. Augment Summoning on the other hand applies the benefits of the feat when cast.

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I am curious about this to a certain extent where it concerns staves and staff-like wands and improved scroll casting. Will augment summoning apply when you have any or all of the features above?


Augment Summoning is not a metamagic feat so it does not qualify for the "pre-metamagically-enchanced spell" rule of scrolls/wands/etc.

The feat says any creatures you conjure with a Summon spell are better. So if the wand/scroll/staff/etc user has the feat, it will work for him, but it cannot be added to an existing item.

You could look to make some kind of feat-replicating Wondrous Item, but then you're dealing with feat replication and that's never a happy direction to head. It opens a lot of troubling doors.


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MurphysParadox wrote:

The feat says any creatures you conjure with a Summon spell are better. So if the wand/scroll/staff/etc user has the feat, it will work for him, but it cannot be added to an existing item.

But SKR's ruling says the feat only works on spells you cast, explicitly not on wand/scroll/staff/etc spells.

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