Summoner's Eidolon Attacks Questions


Rules Questions

Silver Crusade

I am playing a gnome summoner and my eidolon recently took the exotic weapon feat and is using a Katana (suishen, guardian of the Amatatsu). I used this character and was under the impression I could use all of my natural attacks (at a penalty) as well as my two attacks from the Katana. Here is my statblock for the eidolon (the statblock shows the sword as being equipped).

Eidolon Statblock:
Grendel
Male Quadruped
NG Medium Outsider
Init +3; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +6
--------------------
Defense
--------------------
AC 25, touch 13, flat-footed 22 (+4 armor, +3 Dex, +8 natural)
hp 42 (+6)
Fort +6, Ref +8, Will +2 (+4 morale bonus vs. Enchantment spells and effects)
Defensive Abilities evasion
--------------------
Offense
--------------------
Speed 40 ft.
Melee Bite (Bite) +9 (1d6+2/x2) and
Claw x2 (Claws) +9 x2 (1d4+2/x2) and
Slam (Slam) +9 (1d8+2/x2) and
Suishen, guardian of the Amatatsu +13/+8 (1d8+7/18-20/x2)
Special Attacks energy attacks (fire)
--------------------
Statistics
--------------------
Str 20, Dex 17, Con 13, Int 7, Wis 10, Cha 11
Base Atk +6; CMB +11; CMD 24 (28 vs. Trip)
Feats Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Katana), Multiattack, Power Attack -2/+4
Skills Acrobatics +9 (+13 jump), Climb +11, Perception +6, Stealth +9
Languages Common
SQ devotion +4, pounce
Other Gear Suishen, You have no money!
--------------------
Special Abilities
--------------------
Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white vision only).
Devotion +4 (Ex) +4 Morale bonus on Will Saves vs. Enchantments.
Energy Attacks (Fire) (Ex) Your natural attacks deal 1d6 additional energy damage.
Evasion (Ex) No damage on successful reflex save.
Pounce (Ex) You can make a full attack after a charge.
Power Attack -2/+4 You can subtract from your attack roll to add to your damage.
--------------------

Using this statblock I am under the impression that, on a full attack, I can use 1 bite, 1 claw, 1 slam, and 2 katana attacks. I am likely wrong as that makes this creature INCREDIBLY powerful, which wasn't exactly my goal.

Also, the eidolon has an AC of 25 because of Mage Armor.

Thanks!

Tom

Grand Lodge

You may have picked some invalid evolutions combinations here. What evolutions have you taken?

To use a katana you are going to need limbs(arms). To use the slam, you also need a set of arms. So thats 2 sets of arms. After that, you would have a bite and a set of claw attacks from your legs.

As long as you have the correct evolutions, yes, its perfectly legitimate to have full natural attacks and 2 swings with your sword.

Don't forget that you can also cast shield and barkskin on your eidolon for another huge boost to its AC.


If he's a quadruped he has no arms, only legs, no arms=no hands=no katana

If you get him some arms, then sure, you could full attack with all of them, all naturals take a -5 (-2 if multiattack) and only 1/2 STR

(Thats going to be one WEIRD looking creature)

Sovereign Court

you can use natural attacks, at the standard -5 penalty (-2 with your multiattack).

Keep in mind that a Slam attack utilizes both hands to perform a hulk-like smash on something (which is why you gain 1.5 str bonus). which means you will be unable to do a claw attack and a katana attack.

you listed a quadruped, how would a quadruped use a sword?

all of your natural attacks would do an additional +1d6 (your energy attack evolution)

Silver Crusade

Angra Mainyu wrote:
To use a katana you are going to need limbs(arms). To use the slam, you also need a set of arms. So thats 2 sets of arms. After that, you would have a bite and a set of claw attacks from your legs.

So, I have claws on my front legs, bite from my face. Got that taken care of. Now, as you can see below, I only have one set of arms so I can only use either the sword or the slam? If that is so, then I have just been doing my attack wrong. Instead of my original 1 bite, 1 claw, 1 slam, and 2 katana attacks, it would be 1 bite, 2 claw, and 2 katana attacks. Am I correct in this?

Eidolon
Type: Quadruped
Evolutions:

  • Claws
  • Slam
  • Pounce
  • Energy Attacks (fire)
  • Limbs(arms)
  • Ability Increase, Strength
  • Reach, Katana

Drakkiel wrote:
(Thats going to be one WEIRD looking creature)

According to the Paizo PRD, "The eidolon takes a form shaped by the summoner's desires." Using these rules, I picture the creature as a medium-sized, centaurish creature, only based off of the body of a black leopard and the torso of a halfling or something.

Mackaylee wrote:
Keep in mind that a Slam attack utilizes both hands to perform a hulk-like smash on something (which is why you gain 1.5 str bonus). which means you will be unable to do a claw attack and a katana attack.

I was unclear of how the slam attack worked, but now it makes sense. However, as stated above, my claws are on my legs (like a tiger or leopard), so I should be able to use them in a full attack.

Mackaylee wrote:
you listed a quadruped, how would a quadruped use a sword?

As stated above, arms evolution.

Thanks for your help, everyone!

Sovereign Court

the slam evolution would need its own set of limbs(arms), otherwise it replaces your katana attacks.

just remove your slam attack and you should be good.

or add an extra set of limbs(arms) - with two beefy arms coming out of its neck, you could name it 'Trogdor - the burninator'

...or your Wemic idea (centaur creature with a cat body), what ever works for you.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Wemic

or

http://www.cayzle.com/screeds/lion047.html

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Summoner's Eidolon Attacks Questions All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.
Recent threads in Rules Questions