Character death question


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I am running Thornkeep and would like to know if it permitted for a player whose character has died, to restart with a new character mid adventure. Given that the dungeon is in town and it is entirely practical for the party to leave the dungeon and recruit a new member at any time

Grand Lodge 5/5

For reporting purposes, no. The player only gets one character - the first one. They get a Chronicle sheet for that character and if the character can not be returned to the living, a note is made on that sheet that the character has died permanently and reported as dead on the tracking sheet.

However, if the player is interested in playing the rest of the module "just for fun", then as a GM I'd be fine with them using a pregen for the remainder of the adventure for no credit and no Chronicle sheet.


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I would note that Thornkeep is divided into multiple Chronicle Sheets, so I would give credit based on success conditions (three encounters, etc.) for a character death on one level, but I would mark as dead per other PFS guidelines.

I would then allow a pregen or new character for the other levels of the dungeon, because they have separate Chronicle Sheets and no requirement that the dungeon be completed in sequence or without interruption (as other scenarios state).

If Don's comments are meant for the "level", such as Forgotten Laboratory only, then I concur.

If Don's comments are meant for Thornkeep as a whole, I dissent for the reasons above.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Also depends on the specific level.

For The Accursed Halls, since it is a Level 1 module, Tier 1-2, and therefore can be replayed for credit with any number of first level PCs, it would depend on how much of the level they had done. I would be likely to be willing to do a pro-rated sheet for the second 1st level PC, though.

Then again, I may be a BadWrongFun type pf GM, since I allowed a new-to-PFS player to bring in a replacement PC for his PC that got killed with a crit during the first or second round of the very first combat encounter in a regular PFS scenario.

Grand Lodge 5/5

My comments are meant "per Chronicle sheet".


Don Walker wrote:
My comments are meant "per Chronicle sheet".

Then Don and I are on the same page. ^_^

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Robert Duncan wrote:
Don Walker wrote:
My comments are meant "per Chronicle sheet".
Then Don and I are on the same page. ^_^

Unfortunately, I don't understand the page you are on.

I added the "per chronicle sheet." to Don's comments, and it didn't change his meaning, as far as I can tell, and still ignores the level 1 module rules.

So, what am I missing?

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kinevon wrote:

Also depends on the specific level.

For The Accursed Halls, since it is a Level 1 module, Tier 1-2, and therefore can be replayed for credit with any number of first level PCs, it would depend on how much of the level they had done. I would be likely to be willing to do a pro-rated sheet for the second 1st level PC, though.

Then again, I may be a BadWrongFun type pf GM, since I allowed a new-to-PFS player to bring in a replacement PC for his PC that got killed with a crit during the first or second round of the very first combat encounter in a regular PFS scenario.

And how did you report that? You reported the same number number twice one as dead and one with credit?

You can't play 2 characters during the same session which is equal to what you are saying above.

Edit: That said, continuing to play with a pregen so the person can enjoy the rest of the scenario/module for no credit would not be an issue, though there are no rules to support that in PFS (Maybe for a short table you can link the rules for that).

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Dragnmoon:
Scenario: Black Waters
Player: First time for Pathfinder ever
PC: Witch 1, Con dump
1st combat encounter, the scene with the water bug.
It attacks and knocks out the PC who touched the arm
Most of the PCs move up to melee range, including the Witch.
Witch then starts to cast a spell, provoking an AoO.
AoO not only hits, but winds up as a confirmed critical
Damage is enough to take the witch from full health to negative past Con.

What would you do? (And remember I roll out in the open, so no easy way to fudge the dice)

Most of the time already s[pent was on the VC meeting, and the role-playing scenes with the insane sorcerer, and his animated schoolgirl party in the headmistress's office.

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I am not sure where the problem is here kinevon, sounds like the PC died, if the PC can't be brought back then they are marked as dead.

Assuming this player was an Adult *you did not state either way* I expect adults to act like adults which includes not going bat crazy when they lose a PC. It is part of the game so I am not sure where the problem is kinevon.

That said I would allow the player to continue with a Pregen so they can enjoy the rest of the slot if they wanted to, but they would get a chronicle stating their PC was dead.

Grand Lodge 5/5

kinevon wrote:
Robert Duncan wrote:
Don Walker wrote:
My comments are meant "per Chronicle sheet".
Then Don and I are on the same page. ^_^

Unfortunately, I don't understand the page you are on.

I added the "per chronicle sheet." to Don's comments, and it didn't change his meaning, as far as I can tell, and still ignores the level 1 module rules.

So, what am I missing?

Perhaps you are not viewing each dungeon in the Thornkeep book as a separate module under the PFS rules.

In PFS terms a "sanctioned module" is the content covered by one Chronicle sheet. In the case of Thornkeep there are 5 sanctioned modules for the book.

For the case of characters playing the Tier [1-2] module in Thornkeep; if they die, then the player has used their character eligible for a Chronicle sheet in that game. Even if the GM allows them to bring in another character or pregen to finish the game, they may not apply a chronicle sheet to the replacement character.

This is simple common sense as allowing replacement characters to also earn Chronicle sheets would mean having to add them to the table when reporting the game. This could lead to more than 7 characters being reported and even if that didn't happen in a particular instance, the rule of "You may only play one character at a time" would prevent a player from being listed twice on the tracking sheet and being reported twice (or more) online.

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Don Walker wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Robert Duncan wrote:
Don Walker wrote:
My comments are meant "per Chronicle sheet".
Then Don and I are on the same page. ^_^

Unfortunately, I don't understand the page you are on.

I added the "per chronicle sheet." to Don's comments, and it didn't change his meaning, as far as I can tell, and still ignores the level 1 module rules.

So, what am I missing?

Perhaps you are not viewing each dungeon in the Thornkeep book as a separate module under the PFS rules.

In PFS terms a "sanctioned module" is the content covered by one Chronicle sheet. In the case of Thornkeep there are 5 sanctioned modules for the book.

For the case of characters playing the Tier [1-2] module in Thornkeep; if they die, then the player has used their character eligible for a Chronicle sheet in that game. Even if the GM allows them to bring in another character or pregen to finish the game, they may not apply a chronicle sheet to the replacement character.

This is simple common sense as allowing replacement characters to also earn Chronicle sheets would mean having to add them to the table when reporting the game. This could lead to more than 7 characters being reported and even if that didn't happen in a particular instance, the rule of "You may only play one character at a time" would prevent a player from being listed twice on the tracking sheet and being reported twice (or more) online.

Don, I beleave that a player can run the second part (and every later one) without having played the first. Or a player could run with a different PC even. Or even run them out of order. In fact, I was advised to play them in the order 1,2,3,5,4 ... or something like that.

Grand Lodge 5/5

nosig wrote:

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Don, I beleave that a player can run the second part (and every later one) without having played the first. Or a player could run with a different PC even. Or even run them out of order. In fact, I was advised to play them in the order 1,2,3,5,4 ... or something like that.

Pretty sure you think I said something that I did not say.

Also, players "play" - GMs "run".

Review the rules for PFS Sanctioned Modules - Chapter 6 in the PFS Guide.

Each level in the Thornkeep book is a separate PFS sanctioned module. You do not need to play through the entire book with one PFS character.

You may play (for credit) the first level (Tier 1-2) with different level 1 characters as many times as you have level 1 characters, plus once with a level 2 character.

Taking the Thornkeep dungeons in the order they are presented in the book the 4th is a higher tier than the 5th and if you are playing them through with one character, you should follow the order of the Tiers, not the order presented in the book. Though as a player, you do not need to play the levels in any particular order for plot. Each level is a separate, stand-alone dungeon. Though I recommend playing the Tier 1-2 adventure with every character you plan to use in playing Thornkeep as there is a nice boon for the rest of Thornkeep on that Chronicle sheet.

The misunderstanding might be that the OP asked if they could "restart with a new character mid adventure". I took that to mean "mid sanctioned module". Others may have understood it to mean "mid book".

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