Looking at dwarven stonecunning, I noticed Pathfinder's version omits a line found at the end of the d20 version:
A dwarf can also intuit depth, sensing his approximate depth underground as naturally as a human can sense which way is up.
Can anyone explain this omission? I can simply house rule it back in, but its removal makes me wonder why it was necessary to take out that ability in the first place.
It was most likely chopped to save words when sending to the printers. It is also probably left intentionally vague to allow the GM to make their own decisions on if dwarves can do this.
It's probably top-shelved like the 4 hour trance for Elves...
It's probably top-shelved like the 4 hour trance for Elves...
Trancing was removed from elves because it wasn't actually in the elven racial stats - it was in the descriptive text before that, and so wasn't Open Content.
The dwarven Intuit Depth stuff was in the racial stats, and is Open Content. So it was deliberately removed, or someone was bad at copying and pasting.
Our group has been gaming so long we still use the trancing, although we just recently realized it wasn't in the PF corebook....lol....oh well some things you just can't unlearn.
It was used less then the rules for using rope were so likely it removed. I'm not able to look at this very moment but doesn't Survival have that now?
Nope. Survival wasn't changed from 3.5 to Pathfinder.
Also, this is a good question for the Ask James Jacobs thread.
It was used less then the rules for using rope were so likely it removed. I'm not able to look at this very moment but doesn't Survival have that now?Nope. Survival wasn't changed from 3.5 to Pathfinder.
Sure it was, in fact it was changed a lot. It integrated the Track feat into it and added all the rules for tracking through various conditions.
Sure it was, in fact it was changed a lot. It integrated the Track feat into it and added all the rules for tracking through various conditions.It was used less then the rules for using rope were so likely it removed. I'm not able to look at this very moment but doesn't Survival have that now?Nope. Survival wasn't changed from 3.5 to Pathfinder.
Well no, not really. The actual uses for the skill remain unchanged. Pathfinder just removed the need for a feat. You still tracked with Survival in 3.5, so the uses of the skill haven't changed.
The dwarven Intuit Depth stuff was in the racial stats, and is Open Content. So it was deliberately removed, or someone was bad at copying and pasting.
Note that the wording for the dwarf's Slow and Steady ability was also changed (to something shorter but less sensible).
Looking at dwarven stonecunning, I noticed Pathfinder's version omits a line found at the end of the d20 version:A dwarf can also intuit depth, sensing his approximate depth underground as naturally as a human can sense which way is up.Can you explain this omission? I know I could simply house rule it back in, but its removal makes me wonder why it was necessary to take out that ability in the first place.That's a choice Jason made. I can't explain it. My guess is that he felt that ability was too boring and/or shouldn't be limited to dwarves, but that it should be a Knowledge (dungeoneering) check.
Dwarves get way too many racial traits anyway, though.