Is +5 the limit on stat items?


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Sovereign Court

I'm pretty sure it is, but I want to head off an argument with a player before the argument happens.


No. +5 is the limit for an inherent bonus, like you get from a Wish spell or a stat-increasing tome or book.

The highest stat boosting items in the core book are +6. Like the Belt of Giant Strength.


+6
Right there. They come in +2, +4, and +6 varieties.

Sovereign Court

D'oh! I meant +6 on stat items ... for some reason I was thinking weapons/armor.

Are there Paizo books that have stat items higher than +6?

Sczarni

There's a formula, so you could make one in a home game, but it'd be pricy.


If there's any items that give more than a +6 bonus, they're epic. That's how it worked in 3.0. Maybe mythic has rules for larger bonuses, I don't know, but if you're not going mythic you shouldn't worry about it.


If a player starts telling his GM what kinds of magic items are available to buy and craft, then it's probably more important to point to these passages:

"The following guidelines are presented to help GMs
determine what items are available in a given community."

... and ...

"Not all items adhere to these formulas. First and foremost,
these few formulas aren’t enough to truly gauge the exact
differences between items. The price of a magic item may
be modif ied based on its actual worth. The formulas only provide a starting point. The pricing of scrolls assumes that,
whenever possible, a wizard or cleric created it. Potions and
wands follow the formulas exactly. Staves follow the formulas
closely, and other items require at least some judgment calls."

The guidelines may exist to tell you how much a +8 enhancement bonus magic item would cost, but it's up to the GM to decide if it's possible and how much it would cost -- the player doesn't point to the book and say 'it can be done and costs this much.' After all, a use-activated true strike could hypothetically be crafted -- and cheaply! -- but the effectiveness of such an item is far, far more than what any character should have. Campaign end-bosses probably shouldn't even have one.

That's teaching a man to fish. As for tonight's dinner ...

Table 15-29 on page 550 would estimate a +8 enhancement bonus to an ability score at 64,000 gold. Whether that's right for your game is up to you. However, a character who already has a +6 enhancement item (36,000 gold) is normally expected to look at a Manual or Tome with a +2 inherent bonus next, which costs 55,000 gold. This should make it clear that somebody looking for a +8 enhancement item is trying to short-circuit the costs of magic items.

Off the subject, I find it interesting that crafting enhancement items no longer requires Empower Spell.


Anything above a +6 stat enhancing item was, in 3.X D&D, an epic magic item, and so had their own special rules (one of which included a massive price increase).

Since Pathfinder doesn't have epic rules, and there is really nothing in the Core rulebook that prohibits a +8 or higher stat item, they should be available, and there is a formula to determine their price. Like all custom magic items, they would require DM approval, however.

Shadow Lodge

I believe that PF is coming out with its own epic book soon, something titled "Characters of Legend" or someting long those lines.


Yes, Pathfinder is publishing Mythic rules, and they will be used in the Wrath of the Righteous adventure path. At the stage in which I read about it, creatures would gain mythic tiers alongside their normal character levels, although the AP won't begin with mythic tiers already in place. It's hoped that using this system will avoid some of the headaches involved with exceeding 20th level. You can find the Mythic Playtest right now, elsewhere on this site.

[Blank] of Legend sounds believable enough, but I'd be surprised if they used 'characters' and not 'heroes' or something. It's not terribly aesthetic. Although Heroes of Legend also sounds too generic, and five years down the line I can imagine saying "which publisher was that?"


The 3.0 epic rules were the same formula, but if you went over the regular bonus limit there is an addition x10 to the cost. So +6 to an attribute would be 36,000 gp where +7 would be 490,000gp

Shadow Lodge

Troubleshooter wrote:

Yes, Pathfinder is publishing Mythic rules, and they will be used in the Wrath of the Righteous adventure path. At the stage in which I read about it, creatures would gain mythic tiers alongside their normal character levels, although the AP won't begin with mythic tiers already in place. It's hoped that using this system will avoid some of the headaches involved with exceeding 20th level. You can find the Mythic Playtest right now, elsewhere on this site.

[Blank] of Legend sounds believable enough, but I'd be surprised if they used 'characters' and not 'heroes' or something. It's not terribly aesthetic. Although Heroes of Legend also sounds too generic, and five years down the line I can imagine saying "which publisher was that?"

Maybe its something like 'Mythic Heroes' or 'Mythic Heroes of Legend'.

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