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the original version of flame tounge was kinda a cool sword.
This version of flame tounge is lame.... shoots scorching ray once per day? Other than that it's just a +1 flaming longsword?
And why would it need fireball to make, since it has nothing to do with fireball, its flame blade and scorching ray... fireball and flame strike?
A flamestrike effect on a critical would be cool.
It's a +1 Flaming BURST longsword, hence the Fireball I'm assuming.
still weak
What did it used to do?
3.5:
Flame Tongue
This is a +1 flaming burst longsword. Once per day, the sword can blast forth a fiery ray at any target within 30 feet as a ranged touch attack. The ray deals 4d6 points of fire damage on a successful hit.
Moderate evocation; CL 12th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, scorching ray, and flame blade, flame strike, or fireball; Price 20,715 gp; Cost 10,515 gp + 816 XP.
So in otherwords it didn't change at all. Just wanted to cry about it?
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Pretty much all wondrous items and many named weapons have required spells that have little or nothing to do with the specific magical effect. There is an article floating around by one of the 3e developers talking about the spell selection, which basically was to select something that seemed closest. PF inherited the system. The weapon has a fire based effect, thus fireball. Note that fireball isn't required. It is an option.
Yar!
There were editions of this game prior to 3.x, and the Flametongue is an item that also predates 3.x. (I'm not sure exactly when it first appeared, but by Pendagast's use of the words "original version" leads me to understand the version he is thinking of is not the most recent before pathfinder, but in fact from a much earlier edition/incarnation of the game).
My 2e AD&D DMG lists the flametongue as +1, +2 vs regenerating creatures, +3 vs cold-using, flammable, and avian creatures, +4 vs undead.
That is a VERY different item than the 3.x +1 Flaming Burst sword with a 1/day spell in it.
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It's from 1st ed. AD&D. It works exactly as Pirate says.
I just checked today's date. It is 2013. Why are we still having the AD&D/3ed edition wars?
I looked on the google, and I found THIS.
Not to derail the thread but in keeping up with the difference in magic items between the editions I remember having a 5th level fighter that started out with a Flame Tongue..... and another player that was a Ranger desert Trollslayer had a decanter of endless water (Desert Trolls are damaged by Water, not Fire)..
We would roll in town, go to those horse drinking troughs... clean them out and with his decanter of endless water and my flame tongue sword we could charge the town with hot baths....
DM was not amused...
Still I remember getting a Ring of Invisibility back in 2nd edition also....
Now a similar ring in 3rd edition is so over priced its insane...
I sort of miss the older editions when magic was mysterious, you did not really understand how they were made exactly, and pricing was reasonable.
Now everything is structured and rigid, from character level wealth to the exact spells and how to make everything..
A piece of DnD died when 3rd edition came out.... Pathfinder sort of brought some of that back