Two-Weapon Feint number of attacks

[Dukan]

I've got a level 8 Rogue with the Two-Weapon Fighting feat and Improved Two-Weapon Feint feat. His BAB is +6/+1. If he feints with the primary weapon and wins his Bluff check is he allowed the Sneak Attack with his offhand weapon and the second primary attack or just the single offhand weapon attack?

Dukan

[Salindurthas]

So "you can forgo your first primary-hand melee attack" to feint.

Your full attack line, including only BAB and TWF penalty is:
+4 primary
+4 offhand
-1 primary

You can give up the first one to feint, to instead do:
feint
+4 offhand
-1 primary

So I think the answer is the first option you gave - If he feints and wins his Bluff check he attacks with both his offhand weapon and the second primary attack against a target denied its DEX bonus to AC.

[Brutedude]

Dukan wrote:

I've got a level 8 Rogue with the Two-Weapon Fighting feat and Improved Two-Weapon Feint feat. His BAB is +6/+1. If he feints with the primary weapon and wins his Bluff check is he allowed the Sneak Attack with his offhand weapon and the second primary attack or just the single offhand weapon attack?

Dukan

Unfortunately the answer is not at all. Feinting is a standard action. That means that he has to do it in stead of attacking for that turn. Then next turn he can take his full attack with the opponent considered flatfooted for every hit (and thus get sneak attack damage).

If he has/gets Combat Expertise -> Improved Feint, then feinting is considered a move action. Since you can only attack once with one weapon as a standard action, that's all he can attack with while feinting if he has that feat.

[Are]

Brutedude: He specified that he has the Two-Weapon Feint feat. That feat allows you to feint during a two-weapon full-attack by losing the first primary-hand attack.

Since he has the Improved version of the feat, both of his two remaining attacks will be sneak attacks, since the loss of Dex to AC lasts until the end of his turn.

[Eridan]

PRD Bluff wrote:

Feint: You can use Bluff to feint in combat, causing your opponent to be denied his Dexterity bonus to his AC against your next attack.

PRD Combat Maneuver Feint wrote:

If successful, the next melee attack you make against the target does not allow him to use his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). This attack must be made on or before your next turn.

The enemy is only flatfooted against you offhand attack because this is your next attack after TWFeint.

[Drakkiel]

If your wanting it to work for all attacks ya gotta go with Greater Feint...then they lose dex to AC to you until the beginning of your next turn

So if u have 4 attacks and use two weapon feint then u get three sneak attacks

[Are]

Eridan wrote:

PRD Bluff wrote:

Feint: You can use Bluff to feint in combat, causing your opponent to be denied his Dexterity bonus to his AC against your next attack.

PRD Combat Maneuver Feint wrote:

If successful, the next melee attack you make against the target does not allow him to use his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). This attack must be made on or before your next turn.

The enemy is only flatfooted against you offhand attack because this is your next attack after TWFeint.

Improved Two-Weapon Feint, which the OP said the character has, specifically says it makes the opponent lose DEX to AC until the end of the turn. Which means for ALL of his additional attacks, not just the one granted by the regular Two-Weapon Feint feat.

[Eridan]

@Are
Sry I didn't notice that.

[asthyril]

improved two weapon feint lets the feint work until the end of your turn, regardless of how many attacks that is. so you would get sneak attack on all attacks that hit after your successful feint, until the end of your turn. including attacks like getting an extra one from break guard.

[Dukan]

Thanks all! I must have overlooked the "forgo your first primary-hand melee attack" part. Wow, this coupled with Improved Two Weapon Fight will allow 3 Sneak Attacks. That's going to be impressive!

Dukan

[Drakkiel]

Ah I had actually forgot about the Improved version of the Two weapon feint lol...thank you for correcting me

I don't usually have to feint much with my assassin so have only had experience feinting with my friend doing it with his duelist