Half-Giant Powerful Build

[wintersrage]

yes I was talking about a Paizo employee.

[kyrt-ryder]

Trust me on this wintersrage, Paizo employees VASTLY tend to rule against this kind of stuff, as a matter of principle. They have their opinions and they are entitled to them, but sometimes I get really irritated by their general stance in this regard.

[Azaelas Fayth]

Paizo wouldn't be able to officially comment. But I would say the Half-Giant would count as Large for the Purpose of Wielding a Weapon. As that is what the Ability is supposed to do!

[wintersrage]

i know but it seams clear to me that powerful build makes you count as large in regards to weapons and lighten weapon make the weapon count as small, so if you look at it like that then a large creature could wield wield a huge 2 handed weapon. It seams people have differencing of opinions so i want a ruling on it.

Any idea how to get a paizo employee to rule on it.

[Azaelas Fayth]

It is a 3PP Product Paizo will not rule on it. You need one of the 3PP Devs connected to one of the two 3PPs to rule on it.

Most 3PP content interactions are left up to the GM.

[wintersrage]

The only reason i brought this up is i wanted to make a half-giant fighter who wields a falchion, and if he can wield a huge 1 then I'm taking the feat otherwise i won't waste the feat.

I'm going to take the critical feats. I was also going to take the 2 handed fighter archetype so i would get 2 times strength and 2 times power attack with 2 handed weapons

[Azten]

As stated before, Paizo cannot help with this matter, as neither the feat nor the race in question are from Paizo products. EDIT: Ninja'd by Azaelas Fayth(cool name btw, been meaning to tell you that)

I have sent a message to Jeremyy Smith of DSP to ask if he would kindly rule on the matter.

[Azaelas Fayth]

Talk to your GM it is his choice.

Ironically, my name is my "Spirit" Name.

[kyrt-ryder]

I already told you how Paizo would be likely to rule it IF Paizo ruled at all, which... in all likelihood... they won't.

The answer: unfavorably for your concept.

[wintersrage]

Well im the gm for this set of modules, but i want to fair to everybody and now seam to be favoring myself.

[kyrt-ryder]

The combination is fair wintersrage. It's a powerful combination, but a costly one. Even more expensive if the wielder is burning an Exotic Weapon Proficiency on a Mighty Sword or Fullblade.

[wintersrage]

Might Sword, FullBlade, where are these located.

[wintersrage]

heres a quest would a half-giant monk count as large for his unarmed damage.

[Azaelas Fayth]

3.0 References.

Full Blade was basically a Large Bastard Sword that requires a certain STR and EWP to use it correctly. It was basically a way to build Cloud in D&D 3.0

I would make it a 2d8 EWP 2H Sword similar to a Greatsword.

& I would say yes they could.

[kyrt-ryder]

Fullblade is a 3.0 two-handed weapon intended for Large Creatures that can be wielded with one-hand by a large creature with an exotic weapon proficiency feat (essentially a large sized bastard sword) or can be wielded in two-hands by a medium sized creature with the exotic weapon proficiency feat. If I remember right it's in the Arms and Equipment Guide.

Mighty Sword is a 3rd Party Exotic Two-Handed Weapon which deals 2d8 damage at Medium. (Mind the Weight, Huge-sized weighs 48 pounds)

[kyrt-ryder]

Azaelas Fayth wrote:

3.0 References.

Fullblade yes, Mighty Sword no

[wintersrage]

do you mean the Jovar which is a 2d6 18-20\x2 possible x3 but can only be gotten on the celestial planes.

[Azaelas Fayth]

Full Blade required STR 18 as well IIRC.

[kyrt-ryder]

No, I don't. Fullblade (and Mighty Sword) is 2d8 19-20/x2

[wintersrage]

I think im going to developed a fighter archetype that gives up armor training and weapon training and call it a Scythe Master and make it so over the course of the class at 15th level the scythe will crit on an 18-20 and still retain its x4 damage.

[wintersrage]

and im going to build in the lighten weapon and improved lighten weapon into it.

[Azaelas Fayth]

Actually the Full Blade was updated in another book. The Armory Guide I believe.

It ended up being a 2d10 19-20/x2 Blade required EWP & 18 STR.

The Might Sword was in the same book and was 2d8 18-20/x2 required EWP & 16 STR.

The Might Sword could be used as a One-Handed Martial Weapon by a Large Creature. The Full Blade was a One-Handed Exotic Weapon.

[Jeremy Smith]

I would not allow them to stack.

Lighten Weapon: "This allows you to wield a weapon 1 size category larger as if it were your own size"

Half-giant: "A half-giant can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty."

It's the same benefit, not different benefits. Neither says it treats you as a size category larger. Both say you can wield weapons designed for a creature 1 size category larger.

[wintersrage]

Ok, thank you Jeremy.

[kyrt-ryder]

Lighten Weapon wrote:

Benefit: Choose one type of weapon. When using a weapon of that type you may reduce the effort required to wield it by one step but suffer a −2 penalty to hit with that weapon.

Not that Jeremy's opinion isn't valid, but it's just as much an interpretation as anything else, not explicit RAW.

[wintersrage]

kyrt-ryder I tend to agree with you that they can but its apparently not what they intended when they created the feats according to Jeremy Smith.

[kyrt-ryder]

Half-Giant was published long before Lighten-Weapon (in fact Half-Giant was published long before Psionics Unleashed xD)

[meatrace]

Here's the way I've done back in the 3.5 days.
There was a weapon, I think in Complete Warrior, called the Maul. It was basically a bludgeoning bastard sword- 1d10, two handed weapon, but you could wield 1h as an exotic weapon. So you take EWP-Maul. As a half-giant you could wield a large maul in one hand, 2d8 damage a swing. But if you wielded a huge maul, 3d8 damage, you'd need to use 2 hands.

And then you expand and it goes off the charts. My DM said 4d8 was appropriate. Then it's all about stacking Vital Strike and Psionic Weapon/GSW. A large half-giant wielding a now gargantual maul, vital striking for 8d8+4d6+sundry other bonuses. It's icky.