Ninja armor question


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Silver Crusade

I played my first PFS session last week. I didn't have time to make a character before, so I played a premade ninja.

After the session, I got together with the friend who introduced me to PFS and made my own ninja.

When it came time to select armor, a question came up my friend didn't know the answer to. My premade ninja wore a haragami, which was described as a "chain lined belt or belly warmer". On the character I rolled, I decided to go with Ceremonial Silk robes. The question I had was, could I wear both of them at the same time?

Dark Archive

You could, but only the higher of armour bonuses would apply, and the other would not function. As my memory serves, they're both +1, so you would still have a +1 armour bonus.

Silver Crusade

Meh fine. My 5' female human ninja will have to stick with Ceremonial Silks and thigh boots.


Take both and dress for different occasions^^
The haramaki fits better with a shinobi suzuki, which gives you a +2 on stealth.

Dark Archive

Both of those are excellent for social situations. If you're going into a tomb, you may want to protect yourself with something tougher, like studded leather or a chain shirt.


Chain shirt is too expensive on level 1 at the beginning. Studded leather might indeed be best. Can look good too.


What Pathfinder book is the shinobi shozoku found in? I found it in the second Jade Regent book, but, unless I'm reading Additional Resources wrong, it doesn't seem to be approved for PFS in that book.

Silver Crusade

The studded leather hampers my dex bonus. Only the haramaki and ceremonial silks have no max dex bonus until I can get something made of mithril.

Grand Lodge

Studded leather has a max Dex bonus of +5. Given that it's impossible to have a Dex bonus greater than +5 at first level, I don't see why not wear it at first level.


Kelly Youngblood wrote:
Studded leather has a max Dex bonus of +5. Given that it's impossible to have a Dex bonus greater than +5 at first level, I don't see why not wear it at first level.

Not entirely true... but 99+%


That is a misunderstanding. It doesn´t hamper your DEX bonus unless your DEx bonus is higher than +5, which is unlikely. It slighlty hampers your DEx based skills like acrobativs though, giving them a -1 armor check penalty, which should not be tragic.

Silver Crusade

Actually upon looking back at my character sheet I think I passed on the studded leather because of the increased weight over the ceremonial silks.

Dark Archive

That might be significant if you've dumped your strength score. Revisit it as an option when you can afford a mithral chain shirt, as it should be reasonably light for you.

Silver Crusade

I didn't dump Str, it's actuall at 12. There's just a lot of little things a ninja needs and the weight starts to add up quickly.

Grand Lodge

If you have access to the Adventurer's Armory, a masterwork backpack is a nice interim measure, until you have the gold and Fame for a Handy Haversack...

Dark Archive

With a 12 strength you should be fine if you're careful. The masterwork backpack (Adventurer's Armory or Advanced Player's Guide) would give you a net five more pounds to work with; it's two pounds heavier but would increase your capacity from 43 to 50 lbs.


And it costs 50gp, which is a high toll if you are just starting. After the first adventure that should be ok though.

Silver Crusade

Oh yeah I'm through 2 scenarios now, so I've got close to 2000 gold.

I'll have to look into the masterwork backpack and changing my armor to a studded leather shirt.

Going with the ceremonial silks originally was partially out of necessity (due to the weight) and partially for RP reasons because I was going to make my character a female. I've since decided that I can't RP a female character to save my life and have changed him to a male while I still have the chance.

Silver Crusade

Ok, I've decided to follow the suggestions in this thread and go with the MW Backpack and change my Ceremonial Silks to MW Studded Leather.

Just to confirm, the MW Backpack costs 50g and increases my carry capacity by 7 lbs, correct?

The MW Studded Leather will cost 175g and have no AC penalty because it is MW, correct?

Can anyone confirm the price of the Ceremonial Silks? It's in the Ultimate Equipment Guide, which is the one book I want that I haven't purchased yet.

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Enyo no Shottou wrote:
Just to confirm, the MW Backpack costs 50g and increases my carry capacity by 7 lbs, correct?

You can find that in the Advanced Player's Guide. It modifies your carrying capacity based on your STR, so you should consult the item, check your STR, and reference the tables in the CRB ("Additional Rules" chapter, I think).

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The MW Studded Leather will cost 175g and have no AC penalty because it is MW, correct?

Correct.

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Can anyone confirm the price of the Ceremonial Silks? It's in the Ultimate Equipment Guide, which is the one book I want that I haven't purchased yet.

It's in Ultimate Combat. Do you have that? Remember that to use an Additional Resource, you need to have said resource. (If cost is an issue, you can buy the vastly cheaper PDF and just print out the relevant pages.)

Silver Crusade

Hmmm...I have Core, APG, and UC and I didn't see Cermonial Silks in UC. A friend who got me into Pathfinder helped me create my character said the Ceremonial Silks are in UE.

I'll have to look back through UC again to make sure I didn't miss it.

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Ceremonial Silk Armor is among the "Eastern Weapons and Armor" section of UC.

Shadow Lodge

Its in UC, that's where my Wizard first bought it from anyway. :) Eastern Armors under Light armor.

Silver Crusade

Ok thanks. I'll check it out when I get home.

Now, any recommendations on what to buy with the 1500g or so I have right now?

Silver Crusade

Thanks for the help guys. Got my AC up to 18 with the MW Studded Leather and thanks to the MW Backpack I'm still 1 lb under the light load limit.

Dark Archive

In that case, be careful to not pick up anything. Invest in a handy haversack at your earliest convenience to make all these problems go away.


Or rethink if you really need all you are carrying.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, I dropped a couple of things I was carrying to get under 50 lbs. the only things I have now other than weapons and armor are a grappling hook, silk rope, and a lantern.

Thank god smoke pellets and flash powder have an insignificant weight.


How many weapons do you carry? Did you consider getting a weapon cord for each so you prevent disarming? Then you need only 2 or 3, covering the 3 damage types and perhaps something for ranged combat. Also for 75 gold you can replace the lantern with a ioun torch which weighs nothing, gives you a free hand and saves some more lbs.

Silver Crusade

I have a wakizashi, a kusarigami, a dagger, and a short bow. The weapons, arrows included, only weigh 11 lbs.

Which source is the ioun torch in? I don't have access to every book.

Dark Archive

An ioun torch is from the APG. It's a burnt-out ioun stone that has been given continual flame. Personally, I just go for a sunrod until I can afford a wayfinder.

Silver Crusade

I'll look into both of those options.

They are both PFS legal, right?

Grand Lodge

Both the Ioun Torch ad the Wayfinder are PFS legal.

Indeed, PFS gives a 50% discount on the cost of a Wayfinder, only 250 gp instead of 500, and I think it is on the Always Available list in the GtPFSOP.

The Ioun Torch, being in the magical items section, requires 5 Fame to be purchasable, unlike the Everburning Torch which it is a close relative of.

Actually, on the Wayfinder, I find I have a rule questions on: It casts Light, as the spell. The CL of the Wayfinder is 5 to create. So, when you use a Wayfinder to cast Light, does it cast at:
A) First level, 10 minutes duration, as a scroll or wand in PFS would?
B) 5th level, 50 minutes, the caster level needed for a crafter to create a Wayfinder, or
C) At the Character Level of the bearer of the Wayfinder, X * 10 minutes per level?

Spoiler:
I have, so far, been playing and running as though it were option A, but I could, easily, be incorrect on this.

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