| garvdart |
I recently thought about this one and wow...
This stiff folded paper vaguely resembles a hand-sized pest such as a beetle, spider, or cockroach. Completing two key folds in the paper causes it to multiply into hundreds of similar-sized duplicates of itself.
These duplicates fill a 10-foot space and act as a rat swarm, except they have fire vulnerability, the construct type, and do not have the disease special ability. The paper beetles do not attack their creator, but are otherwise uncontrolled and attack anything nearby. After 5 rounds, the beetles crumple and fall inert. Once activated, an origami swarm loses all magic.
+ explosive rune
You trace mystic runes upon a book, map, scroll, or similar object bearing written information. The explosive runes detonate when read, dealing 6d6 points of force damage. Anyone next to the explosive runes (close enough to read them) takes the full damage with no saving throw; any other creature within 10 feet of the explosive runes is entitled to a Reflex save for half damage. The object on which the explosive runes were written also takes full damage (no saving throw).
So I just created the exploding swarm...write down on a sheet of parchment cast explosive runes then craft orgami swarm....
| garvdart |
That is such a cool idea but I must draw your attention to the sentence in the rules you quoted which read, "The explosive runes detonate when read."
Very few people are going to try to read an incoming origami swarm. They are going to set it on fire, which unfortunately will not detonate it.
I am probably wrong but somewhere I read you can choose too fail any roll...or a least save....so wizard dispels the rune(s) (and they are all the same rune.since duplicated.) and opts too fail his own dispel...
its not the act of seeing the rune its the act of reading...and they are hand sized..
| Ximen Bao |
Ximen Bao wrote:I am probably wrong but somewhere I read you can choose too fail any roll...so wizard dispels the rune(s) (and they are all the same rune.since duplicated.) and opts too fail his own dispel...That is such a cool idea but I must draw your attention to the sentence in the rules you quoted which read, "The explosive runes detonate when read."
Very few people are going to try to read an incoming origami swarm. They are going to set it on fire, which unfortunately will not detonate it.
edited cause I misunderstood what you were trying to do.
I would rule that PCs don't get to choose that their magic items fail their saves.
I also don't believe you can intentionally fail checks but I could be wrong.
There's a thread about a GM pulling this stunt here:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2of6n?GMengineered-TPK-How-would-you-feel
further eta: RAW, it wouldn't work. As brought up in that thread, dispel magic automatically succeeds against spells you cast yourself.
| garvdart |
I wouldn't be making this in the field...Id be making during down time, it would only be 150 gp, the item says it won't attack its own creator...(the person folding it) not dispelling the magic that animates it..but the rune it bears....
IF the schmuck decides to read your notes instead of focusing on you as a threat schmuck won't know I am there...either invisible..and didn't directly attack...or perched in a way above the action ie murder hole...whatever..
invisible activate...let the swarm drop into space observe..hold action dispel when I see fire...and then do so.
| garvdart |
I wouldn't be making this in the field...Id be making during down time, it would only be 150 gp, the item says it won't attack its own creator...(the person folding it) not dispelling the magic that animates it..but the rune it bears....
IF the schmuck decides to read your notes instead of focusing on you as a threat schmuck won't know I am there...either invisible..and didn't directly attack...or perched in a way above the action ie murder hole...whatever..
invisible activate...let the swarm drop into space observe..hold action dispel when I see fire...and then do so.
damn thought I saw a usefull bug...pun intended...thanks man.
| garvdart |
garvdart wrote:damn thought I saw a usefull bug...pun intended...thanks man.I wouldn't be making this in the field...Id be making during down time, it would only be 150 gp, the item says it won't attack its own creator...(the person folding it) not dispelling the magic that animates it..but the rune it bears....
IF the schmuck decides to read your notes instead of focusing on you as a threat schmuck won't know I am there...either invisible..and didn't directly attack...or perched in a way above the action ie murder hole...whatever..
invisible activate...let the swarm drop into space observe..hold action dispel when I see fire...and then do so.
just occured too me a mage inscribes a marble with the rune fills bag..then nearing death drops bag contingency teleport home..and dispel...would be broken as well...however after reading the dm thread you shared...theres no reason why it shouldn't work....
and of course my before argument knowledge check you have too study them too figure out what it is...chances are your going too read one of em....also there hand sized so if I write a big bye all over em...
| Ximen Bao |
garvdart wrote:just occured too me a mage inscribes a marble with the rune fills bag..then nearing death drops bag contingency teleport home..and dispel...would be broken as well...garvdart wrote:damn thought I saw a usefull bug...pun intended...thanks man.I wouldn't be making this in the field...Id be making during down time, it would only be 150 gp, the item says it won't attack its own creator...(the person folding it) not dispelling the magic that animates it..but the rune it bears....
IF the schmuck decides to read your notes instead of focusing on you as a threat schmuck won't know I am there...either invisible..and didn't directly attack...or perched in a way above the action ie murder hole...whatever..
invisible activate...let the swarm drop into space observe..hold action dispel when I see fire...and then do so.
A contingent dispel combination might work. However, the spell says that in convoluted conditions the spell combination may fail.
First, that means the teleport doesn't acutally happen and your near death becomes a bit nearer than you'd like.
Second, and more importantly, if I was your GM, and you tried something as cheesy as this, no matter what your conditions were, I'd have them succeed in a way that bites you in the butt.
I can't see a way to pull this off that's rules legal.
| Atarlost |
further eta: RAW, it wouldn't work. As brought up in that thread, dispel magic automatically succeeds against spells you cast yourself.
Most adventurers are in parties with at least two casters or one caster and a UMD monkey. The other caster doesn't auto-succeed to dispel his friend's explosive runes and can choose to fail. Or the rogue can be handed a dispel magic wand and just fail naturally because the caster level is so low.
| Ximen Bao |
Ximen Bao wrote:further eta: RAW, it wouldn't work. As brought up in that thread, dispel magic automatically succeeds against spells you cast yourself.Most adventurers are in parties with at least two casters or one caster and a UMD monkey. The other caster doesn't auto-succeed to dispel his friend's explosive runes and can choose to fail. Or the rogue can be handed a dispel magic wand and just fail naturally because the caster level is so low.
The rouge's wand has a chance at working, but I can't find where you can fail checks, just saves.