Berserking Sword and Rage Powers


Rules Questions

Grand Lodge

Can a Barbarian under the effects of a Berserking Sword, activate his Rage Powers?

Do the rounds under the Curse count towards a Barbarian's Rage rounds per day?

Grand Lodge

Does Furious Finish finish end this effect?


Whenever the Barbarian Rages it can use it's Rage Powers. It doesn't specify the source of the rage except that he has to be raging use them. Lets look at the weapon.

d20pfsrd wrote:
whenever it is used in battle, its wielder goes berserk (gaining all the benefits and drawbacks of the barbarian's rage ability).

Well it simplifies it for us. It's identical of the Rage class feature. If anything modifies Rage to your benefit say Greater Rage, Tireless Rage, and Mighty Rage it'll apply to Rage granted by the sword. As for rounds per day? Let's look again.

d20pfsrd wrote:
He attacks the nearest creature and continues to fight until unconscious or dead or until no living thing remains within 30 feet.

I would say no because it's the sword causing him to Fage and the conditions for duration are different from normal Rage. Other creatures rage when wielding it when they don't have the Rage class ability and they don't have to worry about Rage duration like the Barbarian. Even if it did use your rounds per day you can still keep on raging because the sword forces you to Rage until the conditions of the sword are met.

So the Berserking Sword is a nice bit of cheese for a Barbarian's resource management at low levels and high levels. If there was a cursed item like this for any other limited use class feature it'd probably be banned real quick.

d20pfsrd wrote:
Although many see this sword as a cursed object, others see it as a boon.

Absolute truth right there.

EDIT:

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Does Furious Finish finish end this effect?

That's a good question! The feat certainly ends it but the rage won't go away until your dead, unconcious, or nothing's alive within 30 feet.

There's a couple things that could happen. The magic item trumpts the feat and you can't end the rage thus you can't use Furious Finish. Or the feat trumps the magic item and you end the rage, if you're still in battle the rage kicks back up again and you're now raging while fatigued too.

But since you get both the benefits and the penalties of raging while wielding the item then the feat trumps the item. So yes you can use Furious Finish...it's just not advisable to do so.

Grand Lodge

Could I use the Moment of Clarity Rage Power while under the effects of the Sword?


I would rule "no", because it's meant to be a curse.
Nothing fun, nothing nice, you have no control over what you do!


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Could I use the Moment of Clarity Rage Power while under the effects of the Sword?

Yes! You gain all the benefits and drawbacks of the barbarian's rage ability while wielding the sword and Moment of Clarity removes to drawbacks and penalties thus letting act like normal. The sword will still make you attack the nearest creature within 30ft until you're dead or unconscious but you can choose how to attack that creature. This is a good thing because if it's an ally you can choose to do non-lethal damage or you can do a special attack like a Combat Maneuver or Aid Another until you can reposition both yourselves where you're aimed back an enemy or 30 ft from a living creature.

Grand Lodge

So, while you allowed to use all of your Rage Powers, and what not, you are still forced to attack anyone within 30ft., regardless of friend or foe, even if you use the Moment of Clarity Power?

Do I have this right so far?


It is best used in a group of undead and or constructs:

d20pfsrd wrote:
He attacks the nearest creature and continues to fight until unconscious or dead or until no living thing remains within 30 feet.

So if your allies are undead you can stop raging once all enemies are dead. The drawback: It will not help you vs undead opponents.

So you should get the feat that gives bonuses when there is no ally nearby. In addition you should have a low ini so your allies can act before you do and can move away from you. You should take the barbarian archetype which makes you confused but gives you an additional attack while raging.
Benefit: You rage for free until your enemies are dead, get nice bonuses and stop raging once the enemies are dead (remember, your allies should be undead and/or constructs ie nonliving).


I'm an evil DM, but I would say "destroyed" instead of "living".

No shenanigans and rulelawyering on my watch :P

Grand Lodge

So, all creatures within 30ft. must be dead, or unconscious, before the effect ends?

What happens if an enemy is faking being unconscious, or dead?

Can I use the Raging Brutality feat while under it's effects?


blackbloodtroll wrote:

So, all creatures within 30ft. must be dead, or unconscious, before the effect ends?

What happens if an enemy is faking being unconscious, or dead?

Can I use the Raging Brutality feat while under it's effects?

If the enemy is unconscious and you know it you keep hitting them until their dead. Brutal but hey that's how cursed sword wants it. If they fake you out by pretending to be dead the rage ends if there's no other creature within 30 ft you think is alive. Remember you keep attacking until their dead or you're unconscious/dead. Using a Moment of Clarity and voluntarily failing a Hold Person spell is also another method to keep yourself from destroying a party.

As for Raging Brutality, yes. But you're gonna have to spend rounds of your rage ability because it requires a spending rounds-per-day to use. But if you're raging thanks to the sword you don't have to worry about using up those rounds-per-day like before.

Umbranus wrote:

It is best used in a group of undead and or constructs:

d20psrd wrote:
He attacks the nearest creature and continues to fight until unconscious or dead or until no living thing remains within 30 feet.
So if your allies are undead you can stop raging once all enemies are dead. The drawback: It will not help you vs undead opponents.

I don't think that's what it means there. It's using a vague description of living there. If it's not really describing creature types Undead and Constructs are considered "alive." Yeah I know but that's how it works. You're basically attacking anything that moves and is a threat to you. So you're free to hit Constructs and Undead until they're destroyed.

blackbloodtroll I must say this is actually a nice find on your part. As far as magic items go for Barbarians this one is pretty OP. 10/10 would Rage again.

Grand Lodge

Well, actually, I was looking for Cursed Items, for flavor reasons.


This weapon could definitely be a boon to a party of adventurers. Hand it to the barbarian, let him carve a bloody crescent through a crowd of enemies, and then cast calm emotions on him. He momentarily regains his sanity long enough to sheathe the blade. Instant boon!

Grand Lodge

If there are two creatures of equal distance, can I choose which one to attack?

What happens if I am blinded?

Am I allowed to fight defensively?


blackbloodtroll wrote:

If there are two creatures of equal distance, can I choose which one to attack?

What happens if I am blinded?

Am I allowed to fight defensively?

If there's two creatures of equal distance then you can choose which one to attack. Since you're going after the closest and there's two viable targets you're gonna have to make a choice

If you're blinded but can still hear that an enemy is nearby then you'll try your hardest to go after them until you hear them move out of range. On a side note you can close your eyes voluntarily when attacking allies thus giving them a 50% miss chance.

I don't see why can't fight defensively, as long as you're attacking the closest target within 30 feet you can fight how you want to. You just gotta attack. The sword doesn't make you mindless, just angry.

Detect Magic wrote:
This weapon could definitely be a boon to a party of adventurers. Hand it to the barbarian, let him carve a bloody crescent through a crowd of enemies, and then cast calm emotions on him. He momentarily regains his sanity long enough to sheathe the blade. Instant boon!

It is indeed quite a boon! For a "cursed" weapon I can say it's far more reliable then the Frenzied Berserk prestige class from DND 3.5. Now Calm Emotions is not going to do much if you are still within 30 feet of the Barbarian. The sword would just make him Rage on his turn again before he can even do anything. Your best bet is to find some way to put distance between you and him or make him lose consciousness.

Grand Lodge

Can I attack myself while under it's effects?

Must all attacks be made with the Sword?


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Can I attack myself while under it's effects?

Must all attacks be made with the Sword?

You have to attack the nearest target that's not you. Sorry, no beating yourself unconscious.

It doesn't specify how you attack your target just so long as you're attacking your target. You won't stop until it's dead. So if you really really wanted to you can attack with a unarmed strike and do 1d3+str in nonlethal damage over and over again.


sorry for casting true resurrection on this thread, but i have an idea which could be very helpful.
all one needs to do is simply close one's eyes (thank you, painful bugger) and then throw the berserking sword... once it lands, simply use the sheathe to pick it up.

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