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I was wondering what the over all thought of NPC/ PC classed monsters was?
What I want to know is if I ran a game using creatures like orc Goblins Humans Elf Dwarves ect that had mainly NPC classes or PC classes how well does the system work for CR?
To be more detailed we have a greatly expanded list of races that use class lv for progression having converted a lot of the monster HD progressions to be playable at much lower lvls. Was decided that Most monsters could use NPC/Class progression to obtain similar or better powers if they where effectively De-leveled.
Most of the monsters in out home world have drastically different fluff then core book so we didn't mind changes to stats in fact greatly preferred this. This system also allowed for greatly different stats between two of the same monsters of the same CR. Question is assuming all the base Monster (before applying any class/NPC class lvls) where balanced how well would the CR work for such creatures.
First off yes I know this approach is a TON of extra work that isn't Needed but I don't mind the work in the least and in theory it will make for a much better monster list. The ones in the MM could be done a lot better anyhows as a lot have nearly useless feats and I tend to swap out a lot of that junk as is to make it more challenging.
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The main concern I have is how well does the CR conversion for Classes and NPC class work at higher CR. IF I made say a Orc which has 0 effectively lvls used average point buy for the creature (players use the heroic point buy) and then added say 10 LVLs of Warrior and 10 LVLs of adept or some other combo, how well would that creatures CR work
This would make a Orc of CR 18 all benefits of 10 LVLS warrior and 10 LVLs adept and probably gear equaling the loot that a CR 18 creature should have.
Does this sound about proper? Does this CR pretty effectively work or does the DM selecting actual decent feats and decent gear mean the CR is to low or does the large number of NPC/ Class lvls mean the CR is to easy.
I mean a LVL 11 fighter against 4 LVL 10 fighters hardly seams like a real challenge.
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Hell I am understanding CR right, 1 CR 10 should be a challenge for a party of 4 lvl 10 characters right?