If i am reading this correctly, the below states this:
A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
and
A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows.
I understand that unless you have the improved versions of these and attempt to use them in melee range, you will be provoking attacks of opportunity.
Also please note that if this is actually how this works, why would anyone want to play an archer fighter when said fighter suffers a -4 to do the same things?
That fighter also doesn't have access to trip till 11th level.
Am i misreading this? Was this misprinted?
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Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so he may make one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat). For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus from his monk class levels is equal to his monk level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.
At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows, as if using Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows, as if using Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows. A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows. A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.
...and...
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.
A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
A zen archer cannot use Rapid Shot or Manyshot when making a flurry of blows with his bow.
...and also...
You can attempt to trip your opponent in place of a melee attack. You can only trip an opponent who is no more than one size category larger than you. If you do not have the Improved Trip feat, or a similar ability, initiating a trip provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of your maneuver.
If your attack exceeds the target's CMD, the target is knocked prone. If your attack fails by 10 or more, you are knocked prone instead. If the target has more than two legs, add +2 to the DC of the combat maneuver attack roll for each additional leg it has. Some creatures—such as oozes, creatures without legs, and flying creatures—cannot be tripped.
I would say, "No".
EDIT: I stopped at Trip, but Sunder and Disarm also require melee attacks.
Then how can i fighter trip and use ranged combat maneuvers?
Is this specific only to the fighters?Did the zen arcer archetype get released much later than the archer fighter? If so, did they omit this little rules glitch?
Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so he may make one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat). For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus from his monk class levels is equal to his monk level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.
At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows, as if using Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows, as if using Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows. A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows. A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.
...and...
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.
I would say "No".
How do these two things equate to a no?
I understand that it is normally applied to a melee attack, but it still makes no sense.
Please, i am not trying to be an antagonist, i am not looking to troll or be trolled.
So, comments like "I stopped at" are not welcome.
If you have some input, i would appreciate it, but please do not troll this thread.
There are pretty interesting trick arrows available in Elves of Golarian, including special Trip arrows (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/ammu nition)
My Zen Archer tends to use the Tangleshot, Thistle, and Splintercloud the most, but she also carries Raining (for undead), whistle (for signaling), smoke, and pheromone. I can't wait for an opportunity to use the pheromone arrows...
You can buy trip arrows from elves of galrion, but they have a flat +5 CMB, which is poor. And they cost a lot. 25 gp per arrow, I think.
MUUUUUUCH later on, ZAM gets the ability to deliver Punishing Kick (and stunning fist, and all other similar feats) through his bow shots at level 17. Which isn't technically tripping, but can be used to knock a foe prone and is functionally the same end result.
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows....and...
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon).He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.How do these two things equate to a no?
I've gone and italicized the text that explains why they add up to a no. An ordinary monk can make a flurry of blows with either his weapon or unarmed attacks, and may substitute the maneuvers for his unarmed attacks. The Zen Archer, however, cannot make unarmed attacks as part of a flurry, and so has no unarmed attacks in the flurry to replace with the maneuvers.
I've gone and italicized the text that explains why they add up to a no. An ordinary monk can make a flurry of blows with either his weapon or unarmed attacks, and may substitute the maneuvers for his unarmed attacks. The Zen Archer, however, cannot make unarmed attacks as part of a flurry, and so has no unarmed attacks in the flurry to replace with the maneuvers.A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows....and...
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon).He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.How do these two things equate to a no?
Thank you very much, i did misread that. It seemed a bit odd that a zen archer could do the fighter archer thing better thana figter at level one.
And ys, i had omitted part of a post because the reply cut it off and i had not seen it as important to the discussion... my bad, i apologise.