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After discussing with some friends some ways to get out of a grapple one person is very adamant that applying Alchemical Grease to yourself while grappled is a two handed activity and therefor not allowed. I hold the opposite view that it is a one handed activity and that without any specific instructions on applying it in the description of the item it is applied as per the potions and oils rules.
sufficient contents to cover one Medium or two Small
creatures. If you coat yourself in alchemical grease, you
gain a +5 alchemical bonus on Escape Artist checks, on
combat maneuver checks made to escape a grapple, and to
your CMD to avoid being grappled; this lasts 4 hours or
until you wash it off.
Activation: Drinking a potion or applying an oil requires no special skill. The user merely removes the stopper and swallows the potion or smears on the oil. The following rules govern potion and oil use.
Drinking a potion or using an oil is a standard action. The potion or oil takes effect immediately. Using a potion or oil provokes attacks of opportunity. An enemy may direct an attack of opportunity against the potion or oil container rather than against the character. A successful attack of this sort can destroy the container, preventing the character from drinking the potion or applying the oil.
A creature must be able to swallow a potion or smear on an oil. Because of this, incorporeal creatures cannot use potions or oils. Any corporeal creature can imbibe a potion or use an oil.
A character can carefully administer a potion to an unconscious creature as a full-round action, trickling the liquid down the creature's throat. Likewise, it takes a full-round action to apply an oil to an unconscious creature.
I would say up to the GM...it doesn't specifically state that it takes 2 hands to do it. But then again it depends on whether your GM is a rule nazi or the type that says "in RL you could do it" type...i see someone pulling the stopper with their mouth and them dumping the stuff on them...spreading it around with that same hand if needed
thats just me...it up to your GM though
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Well I view it as if we open things like this up to setting this item takes two hands, this item takes one hand; it makes combat more complicated which is to be avoided.
My fear in leaving it up to GMs, how long until we get GMs saying Cure light/moderate/serious wounds takes two hands one hand to hold the bottle one to unstopper... again, to be avoided.
Any way we an get a dev post as I don't want to be grappled, pull out Alchemical Grease and waste a movement on something preventable due to table variance that should not be.
Either carry a Wand of Grease in a spring loaded wrist sheath or have your friendly arcane caster do so. :)
Grease is a very cheap and easy way to make yourself grapple resistant. Esp if the party cleric has Liberating Command memorized to get you out as an immediate action (+10 for grease and up to +20 for liberating command for your escape artist check).
Back on topic: it should be one hand. I open, drink, and recap Mountain dew bottles with 1 hand. This should be significantly less difficult and I cannot find a rule that indicates using a potion, oil, or alchemical equivalent requires 2 hands.
- Gauss
that was my point...i dont see it taking 2 hands and there is nothing in the rules about it taking more than one
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If we base everything off of what we as Humans can do in life this means no more divine or arcane magic... part of this game is suspending some of what we all know cannot be done in reality by most people. If we apply the rules that we are given it's a one handed standard action because it lists no other requirements.
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If we base everything off of what we as Humans can do in life this means no more divine or arcane magic... part of this game is suspending some of what we all know cannot be done in reality by most people. If we apply the rules that we are given it's a one handed standard action because it lists no other requirements.
This isn't divine or arcane magic, it's applying grease while fighting a guy off of you with the other hand.
Wait, if it takes two hands, then how do Oils of Magic Weapon work?
What hand holds the weapon?
A real man holds the weapon in his teeth!
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Alright Avatar, if we limit the application of grease to two hands because its obviously more difficult while fighting off a dude, we have to do the same for drinking curative potions because wouldn't it also be more difficult to drink a potion while grappled then to just drink it normally? It's a slippery slope that we should not travel down, since some rule lawyer GMs will beat people over the head with it.
The more rules and exceptions we make in Pathfinder the more rules and exceptions we need for Pathfinder. I don't want to see people pulling out books to see if a potion can be used one handed or if they need to escape the grapple before being able to use it.
Avatar-1, while grappling I do not need to recap the oil. Just dump it on myself. :)
Yes, I have wrestled with someone and uncapped an ice cold bottle of water to dump it on them. Lots of fun that was.
- Gauss
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I am in the "only one hand needed" group. Mostly because nothing states that two are needed and I see no balance issues with it. Another note is that you have opened up yourself to an AoO by applying the oil in combat.
also wanted to state that my first reading of the thread title was missing the "r". Alchemical Geese - One handed or Two caused me to double check.
On that note, more coffee is needed.