How should a Paladin handle a Cleric of an evil God?


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Silver Crusade

I have a feeling the dogma wasnt read. I would say the player just read over the mechanics and thought happy days.

I would say that the DM wasnt familiar with said dogma.

Sovereign Court

Alignment probably won't really come into play in this situation. A Cleric of Lamashtu is likely to do a lot of things that aren't going to sync well with the moral code of any good aligned character, let alone a Paladin.

Request a rethink or just let them know that they might not enjoy using that character with the group.

Dark Archive

Jessica Price wrote:
I dunno, I always figured if they encountered each other out in the world, it would be war, but if they ended up in tavern together it would be sort of like Crowley and Aziraphale in Good Omens. :-)

It's... it's... y'know... dolphins.


Honestly,
I don't see a major issue. If he's CN and worshiping a CE deity, he's worshiping one aspect of that diety. Just like a LN inquisitor can worship a LE diety of revenge and be worshiping them in their 'lawbringer' aspect.

Based on Lamashtu, I'd say the CN cleric is actually something of a lush with a monstrous humanoid fetish. Works perfectly fine, and fits the gods desire of more monstrous offspring. Not exactly something the Paladin is likely to approve of, but sleeping around with as many monstrous humanoids as possible is not exactly something the Paladin can say is evil (distasteful yes, evil no).

As long as the player plays up the priest as being a pervert, and makes it obvious he's not evil (no kicking puppies, etc) then the Paladin should be ok.


johnlocke90 wrote:
Pendagast wrote:

But then, in the most recent AP, the Devs put out a LN Cleric of Zon Kuthon, who channels positive energy and has a kinder gentler view of his god, with pussywillows and lillys in his hair.....

It's semi frustrating really.... because there's these write ups, then exact opposites... which promote someone to say well my character can be like that.... the pussywillow death priest of Zonkuthon PrC....someone do the write up

You can't rely on AP's for rules clarification. AP writers take serious liberties on the rules and the main dev's intent.

I didnt say it was a rules clarification, but it is an in print departure from the rules, and as such everyone typically draws from something like this as an excuse to run away with the rules.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

I did not see this issue come up so if it has forgive me. Are you playing an AP or other published material? If the campaign is using that kind of material Lamashtu and her followers come up as bad guys quite a bit. I see this as as big a problem. What does a PC do when the bad guys are consistently his/her religion.


Pyrrhic Victory wrote:
I did not see this issue come up so if it has forgive me. Are you playing an AP or other published material? If the campaign is using that kind of material Lamashtu and her followers come up as bad guys quite a bit. I see this as as big a problem. What does a PC do when the bad guys are consistently his/her religion.

Kill them. Makes easy vacancies for his rise to power!


mdt wrote:

Honestly,

I don't see a major issue. If he's CN and worshiping a CE deity, he's worshiping one aspect of that diety. Just like a LN inquisitor can worship a LE diety of revenge and be worshiping them in their 'lawbringer' aspect.

Based on Lamashtu, I'd say the CN cleric is actually something of a lush with a monstrous humanoid fetish. Works perfectly fine, and fits the gods desire of more monstrous offspring. Not exactly something the Paladin is likely to approve of, but sleeping around with as many monstrous humanoids as possible is not exactly something the Paladin can say is evil (distasteful yes, evil no).

As long as the player plays up the priest as being a pervert, and makes it obvious he's not evil (no kicking puppies, etc) then the Paladin should be ok.

There's also a clause in the Code that references consistent problems with the Paladin's moral compass in addition to the evil bit. This could be a big sticking point.


Serisan wrote:
mdt wrote:

Honestly,

I don't see a major issue. If he's CN and worshiping a CE deity, he's worshiping one aspect of that diety. Just like a LN inquisitor can worship a LE diety of revenge and be worshiping them in their 'lawbringer' aspect.

Based on Lamashtu, I'd say the CN cleric is actually something of a lush with a monstrous humanoid fetish. Works perfectly fine, and fits the gods desire of more monstrous offspring. Not exactly something the Paladin is likely to approve of, but sleeping around with as many monstrous humanoids as possible is not exactly something the Paladin can say is evil (distasteful yes, evil no).

As long as the player plays up the priest as being a pervert, and makes it obvious he's not evil (no kicking puppies, etc) then the Paladin should be ok.

There's also a clause in the Code that references consistent problems with the Paladin's moral compass in addition to the evil bit. This could be a big sticking point.

No more so than the rest of the party could, if you want to get pedantic about it. A LG taken to extremes doesn't fight more than one on one, doesn't allow sneak attacks, doesn't do a bunch of things. My suggestion above is about how the cleric behaves with bed partners and preference there-of. As long as he's not raping anyone, the Paladin has no business telling him who he sleeps with (or she sleeps with, as the case may be). Unless the Paladin's god is a god of abstinance, then someone's preference in sexual partners shouldn't impinge on the Paladin's code in any way.

There's a difference with saying 'I find your taste in bed partners distasteful' and saying 'I find you constantly stealing from townfolk objectionable'. The former is a personal choice between the cleric and his bed partner, the second is something that actually violates the law.

Liberty's Edge

Wow, I'm surprised no brought up the whole "kill him and take his stuff" routine yet. Not a plan to really bring about group cohesion though.

Although, bringing a cleric of Lamashtu into a party with a Paladin, it just might be appropriate to just modify that old saying to "smite him like a red headed stepchild and burn his tainted gear with a ten foot pole." Seriously though I don't see how a Paladin of imodae is expected to buddy up with a cleric of lamastu with how different they are. Sounds like it would be a good idea to talk to them out of character about making a new character.

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