| Dan Davis |
I have two questions about spells and how they affect liches.
1. Would flesh to stone work on a lich? The spell states that "only creatures made of flesh are affected by this spell." There's no mention of "flesh" in the template itself, but the description of the lich in the template says "withered corpse," which suggests flesh.
2. If you kill a lich and it goes back to a phylactery that you haven't touched, can you find the lich with discern location? The spell states "to find a creature with the spell, you must have seen the creature" and "to find an object, you must have touched it at least once." If you kill the lich, the lich goes to their phylactery. You've seen the creature, so therefore you can find the creature with discern location, but if the lich is in a phylactery which you haven't touched you can't find the phylactery with discern location!
Weirdo
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1. Flesh to Stone doesn't work on liches because it requires a Fort save, and undead are immune to effects requiring Fort saves unless they specifically work on objects (and Flesh to Stone targets a creature).
2. The lich isn't strictly speaking in the phylactery, just reforming nearby. I'd expect that you couldn't discern its location until it had finished reforming (I think it's strictly still an unliving corpse before then rather than an undead creature, and thus not a valid target), but some GMs might allow otherwise.
| Dan Davis |
1. Flesh to Stone doesn't work on liches because it requires a Fort save, and undead are immune to effects requiring Fort saves unless they specifically work on objects (and Flesh to Stone targets a creature).
You're absolutely right.
But I do find it strange that that means you couldn't turn a corpse to stone because it isn't technically a "creature." Likewise if you cast stone to flesh on an object you can't use flesh to stone to reverse it.