| Matthew Downie |
Bite damage is listed as B/S/P. Meaning it's all of those things at once and the attacker cannot choose to do one particular type?
Nefreet
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This came up in a PFS game recently with my Tengu. I dealt 6 damage with my bite against a zombie, and the GM ruled that only 4 got through.
Regarding your spoiler, I would think that since all damage happens at once, your last sentence makes the most sense. If the bludgeoning damage would be enough to kill it anyways, then the other effect would not occur.
Diego Rossi
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There is no negative to multiple damage types.
Unless you decide to create houserules, or falsely eschewed interpretations of RAW, having an attack that deal multiple types of damage does not weaken it.
Define what you mean with "weaken" as your statement is unclear as written.
If you are using a halberd, damage P or S you can chose what effect you want, so you will get full damage against a zombie (if you know that he has DR/slashing.
If you are using a morning star, damage B and P, against a black pudding you will apply the effect of both kinds of damage, so the black pudding would take full damage and split.
blackbloodtroll
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If something has DR/Silver, and you have a weapon that counts as both Silver and Adamantine, it does not suddenly lack the ability to bypass the DR of either, or partially bypass(nothing does) the DR of either.
If something is immune to slashing, and the weapon does B/P/S, then the damage still gets through, because it still does types of damage that is it not immune to. Weapons that do only slashing would not.
| Lamontius |
On a slightly related note, while I know that natural attack bite damage is B/P/S, where was this first covered in the rules?
I had this come up in a PFS game, where the GM was dubious about bites being all three damage types. He asked for proof and the best myself and another player could do was grab a Bestiary and show him the Universal Monster Rules where bites are clearly labeled as B/P/S.
Is this covered somewhere else, such as the Core Rulebook or APG?
blackbloodtroll
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blackbloodtroll wrote:There is no negative to multiple damage types.
Unless you decide to create houserules, or falsely eschewed interpretations of RAW, having an attack that deal multiple types of damage does not weaken it.
Define what you mean with "weaken" as your statement is unclear as written.
If you are using a halberd, damage P or S you can chose what effect you want, so you will get full damage against a zombie (if you know that he has DR/slashing.
If you are using a morning star, damage B and P, against a black pudding you will apply the effect of both kinds of damage, so the black pudding would take full damage and split.
Having a choice of damage types, and dealing multiple damage types at the same time is different.
A weapon that deals multiple types of damage at the same time, should not be less effective, then those that deal only one type of damage.
Nefreet
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If something is immune to slashing, and the weapon does B/P/S, then the damage still gets through, because it still does types of damage that is it not immune to. Weapons that do only slashing would not.
1/3 of the damage would not get through, the slashing part. If an attack does all three types of damage, you cannot then choose to have it only deal two of those types instead.
Dust Raven
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Type: Weapons are classified according to the type of damage they deal: B for bludgeoning, P for piercing, or S for slashing. Some monsters may be resistant or immune to attacks from certain types of weapons.
Some weapons deal damage of multiple types. If a weapon causes two types of damage, the type it deals is not half one type and half another; all damage caused is of both types. Therefore, a creature would have to be immune to both types of damage to ignore any of the damage caused by such a weapon.
In other cases, a weapon can deal either of two types of damage. In a situation where the damage type is significant, the wielder can choose which type of damage to deal with such a weapon.
The damage type for bite attacks is found in the Natural Attacks by Size table in the Universal Monster Rules.
blackbloodtroll
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On a slightly related note, while I know that natural attack bite damage is B/P/S, where was this first covered in the rules?I had this come up in a PFS game, where the GM was dubious about bites being all three damage types. He asked for proof and the best myself and another player could do was grab a Bestiary and show him the Universal Monster Rules where bites are clearly labeled as B/P/S.
Is this covered somewhere else, such as the Core Rulebook or APG?
Why would it need to be?
That is exactly where the rules for natural attacks should be.
In fact, all you need to run any Pathfinder game is the Core Rulebook, and the Bestiary.
Those two combine to complete all the needed rules.
Nefreet
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I had this come up in a PFS game, where the GM was dubious about bites being all three damage types. He asked for proof and the best myself and another player could do was grab a Bestiary and show him the Universal Monster Rules where bites are clearly labeled as B/P/S.
Is this covered somewhere else, such as the Core Rulebook or APG?
The Bestiary is what we used. Didn't seem to need another resource to restate what one book already said.
Nefreet
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The Rules wrote:The damage type for bite attacks is found in the Natural Attacks by Size table in the Universal Monster Rules.Type: Weapons are classified according to the type of damage they deal: B for bludgeoning, P for piercing, or S for slashing. Some monsters may be resistant or immune to attacks from certain types of weapons.
Some weapons deal damage of multiple types. If a weapon causes two types of damage, the type it deals is not half one type and half another; all damage caused is of both types. Therefore, a creature would have to be immune to both types of damage to ignore any of the damage caused by such a weapon.
In other cases, a weapon can deal either of two types of damage. In a situation where the damage type is significant, the wielder can choose which type of damage to deal with such a weapon.
My apologies, I stand corrected. I will show this to our PFS GM tonight.
blackbloodtroll
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blackbloodtroll wrote:If something is immune to slashing, and the weapon does B/P/S, then the damage still gets through, because it still does types of damage that is it not immune to. Weapons that do only slashing would not.1/3 of the damage would not get through, the slashing part. If an attack does all three types of damage, you cannot then choose to have it only deal two of those types instead.
This "1/3 damage" is a falsehood that has no rules supporting it.
By this interpretation, any attack that counts more than one type, material, alignment, whatever, would actually decrease it's effectiveness against the type of DR it was supposed to bypass.
There is nothing RAW to support that notion.