Blind Oracle + Racial Darkvision 60ft


Rules Questions


Would a race (half-orc or aasimar) gain Darkvision 90, 120 if they were to become a blind oracle?

Liberty's Edge

Unless specifically stated otherwise, Darkvision overlaps and does not stack. There are cases where such stacking is called out explicitly (such as Shadowdancer, Mooncaller Druid or the Orc bloodline).

Either way, it would be irrelevant for Blind Oracle. They get Darkvision: Infinity, but can't see beyond 30/60 ft no matter what kind of vision they use.


oic. well thats kind of a bummer.

Grand Lodge

A Half-Orc can get Scent.


Yep. Boost other senses. Scent, Blindsight, Tremorsense, max out Sense Motive and Perception checks, etc...

Basically it makes you Daredevil. Actual vision shouldn't be very limiting if you play it right.


Wait, what can you use Sense Motive to sense as far as seeing things goes?

Grand Lodge

Rynjin wrote:
Wait, what can you use Sense Motive to sense as far as seeing things goes?

Sense Motive is more about understanding what you are seeing.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Wait, what can you use Sense Motive to sense as far as seeing things goes?
Sense Motive is more about understanding what you are seeing.

I think the point would be recognizing an enemy based on what they are saying when outside your range of vision. Hearing a threat in a voice might be able to buy you a round or two of preparation for a combat.


Sense motive doesn't change your senses, but without being able to see nonverbals, how do you tell when someone's just lying or bluffing you?

It's more of a way to perceive things rather than actually "see" them.

This post is way off-track, but since it comes up weekly anyways with people trying to overcome the Blind Oracle Curse, whatever...

For practicality purposes, let me address and answer the original question:

The Clouded Vision Oracle Curse doesn't actually give you Darkvision. It gives you a vision that functions LIKE it. So even if you were to get an ability that overlaps, it wouldn't work unless you had REAL Darkvision from another source. And it would still be limited to the Oracle Curse distance, even if the source's distance were increased.

There is no way to overcome the Oracle's Curse "without the aid of a deity" as stated in the ability itself. Only your DM can tell you what this exactly means.


Barry Armstrong wrote:

Yep. Boost other senses. Scent, Blindsight, Tremorsense, max out Sense Motive and Perception checks, etc...

Basically it makes you Daredevil. Actual vision shouldn't be very limiting if you play it right.

oooo i like that scent/daredevil idea.... isnt there a keen hearing or something for elves or did i just make that up?


The big sensory abilities are normal vision, low-light vision, darkvision, see in darkness, tremorsense, blindsense, blindsight and lifesight. Especially acute hearing is one of the explanations for blindsight, but all blindsight is not necessarily based on hearing.

Grand Lodge

Don't forget the True Seeing spell.


Even if you did treat Clouded Vision's "like darkvision" as actual darkvision and took a boosted darkvision ability by some means, the curse explicitly states "you cannot see more than 30/60 feet". Even if you had 90-120 feet of darkvision, you can only make use of the first 30/60 feet of it.


Cool. So is H/O the best race for Blind Oracle's because of scent?


Actually, the half-orc has to use a feat to get Scent.

The catfolk can take Scent as an alternate racial trait (replacing Low-light Vision).

EDIT: ratfolk can do the same (but it replaces Tinker).

Grand Lodge

Humans and Aasimar can get Scent.

Changelings can get the effects of their Curse earlier with their favored class bonus, meaning a blind Oracle can get blindsense at 7th level.

Tengu have the same available favored class bonus, and can gain Scent with the Long-Nose Form feat.


Now I want to see a guide on the scent based oracle.

Grand Lodge

Well, you could go Battle Oracle, Keen Scent, Smell Fear and Scent of Fear feats.

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