In Oterisk's guide to Dragon Disciple he implies that some how by taking a level in both Dragon/Abyssal Blood you are able to gain both class blood line traits through Dragon's Disciple, at least through all your Dragons Disciple levels. Then to top it off some how these traits not only stack but also increase with each level. My opinion is that this does not sound right. Now its possible I am miss understanding this and he is saying that you get all this by taking one level in Dragons Blood, one level in Abyssal Blood, then eight in DD, to be finished off with ten levels in Abyssal Blood losing and number of nice dragon blood bonuses. Either way you would have the draw back of loosing both level 20 traits, along with the expected loss of 2 caster levels or more. I suppose someone might argue that the text implies that you would gain Dragons Blood traits regardless (sounds like a bit of a stretch though). It also bypassed the crossblooded option in some ways.
-Oterisk
"Eldrich Heritage: Abyssal: doubles rounds of Sorcerer claws and stacks with Dragon Bite unless your GM is a jerk. Since this is a prerequiste for the +6 Str bonus you get with the next bloodline power from abyssal, its a good choice."
Blood of Dragons
A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.
Strength of the Abyss (Ex): At 9th level, you gain a +2 inherent bonus to your Strength. This bonus increases to +4 at 13th level, and to +6 at 17th level.
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I think you are misunderstanding some of what he wrote, or how the rules work... I'm not really sure, but the language you used just seemed confused on that aspect. You can't take levels in a different Bloodline of Sorceror, if you are a Sorceror already more Sorceror levels will only advance that Class, not start over with a new bloodline. The only ways to have multiple bloodlines is Cross Blooded Archetype, or Eldritch Heritage (Feats).
Blood of Dragons is clearly saying it stacks with your bloodLINE in the singular tense. Not stacking with all bloodlines you may have. DD has no 'selection' of which BL it should stack with, so the intent is obviously to stack with Draconic Bloodline, allowing a 'choice' of which BL is stacks with is outside the RAW of the PrC. You can still use Cross-Blooded, but DD shouldn't advance, nor grant, any non-Draconic BL powers.
You can gain other bloodlines via Eldritch Heritage though, and these auto-scale based on total character level (adjusted), so your DD levels help these scale (just as much as levels of Rogue would).
Strength of Abyss is inherent. Inherent doesn't stack with other Inherent, but it does stack with Untyped bonues, which is what DD grants thru Class Ability.
His characterization of anybody who doesn't agree with him that Abyssal Claws 'stack' with Draconic Claws as being a 'jerk' is VERY classy. If only more Class Guides felt so free to dispense insults on un-named others who can't even respond.
I presume he's talking about 'stacking' as in 'counting as the same thing' e.g. for triggering DD's bite attack. Per RAW, that's not legit, you CAN use rounds/day of Abyssal Claws just fine (whose scaling effects, magic weapon and flaming, still apply per effective sorceror level based on total character level -2 ala Eldritch Heritage... or merely based on Sorceror levels NOT DD if you gained them via Cross-Blooded Sorceror), but they shouldn't trigger Draconic Bite. Why should they?, they have nothing to do with Dragons. Same thing for if you have permanent Claws from some source, or any other temporary source of Claws. Only Draconic Claws trigger DD Bite.
I believe that per RAW it's NOT legit to manifest both sources of Claws at the same time to let you combine their special effects/features (i.e. on the same pair of Claws), even if you pay the round 'cost' of each independently... The special effects are tied to the specific Claws granted by each ability, they don't carry over onto whichever Claws you want them to (same goes for any Claws you already had from whatever source, temporary or permanent).
As to whether or not you could grow a second set of Claws from a different set of limbs, I don't think there's anything in RAW against that, and Rake already grants a second set of Claw attacks so it's not unprecedented... That goes against Paizo's stated RAI that Claws only go on 'fore-limbs' but Rake already breaks that anyways.
That does bring up how Draconic Claws/Bite work for characters who already have Claws/Bite naturally(permanently). It seems reasonable that they should still be able to use the Draconic Claws/Bite, but there is a conflict with the Nat Weapons already in place, which shouldn't stack per a strict reading of RAW. It seems plausible that by RAI such characters should be able to use Draconic Claws/Bite just fine, and by inference so should Abyssal Claws be 'combinable' if that was desired (mainly for Eldritch Heritage:Abyssal Claws to add fire dmg on top of whatever Draconic BL elemental dmg), but that would be diverging from RAW.
Dragon Disciple could really be cleared up a bit just to make some of this clearer per RAW (re: people with multiple Bloodlines), and maybe they could take care of the Claw/Bite 'stacking' issue (which equally applies to the MANY characters with natural Claws). I don't think the intent is to allow you to grow Claws from ANY limb, just arms, but if there already are Claws there (or Bite in that case), they probably should 'stack' all effects on the same attack.
^what I needed thanks