Ninja standard action


Rules Questions


I have a question about making a standard action as a Level 11 Cat-folk Ninja (Favored class Rogue). My weapons are currently claws (with cat-folk racial weapons Claw Blades (+1))

From what I gathered is that I can do both my main and off-hand attacks but not the secondary attacks that are supposed to follow as stated in my BAB (which is 8/3). Is this correct as an standard action?

Scarab Sages

No. To take any additional attacks, natural or otherwise, you have to be Full Attacking.

"Full Attack
If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough (see Base Attack Bonus in Classes), because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon, or for some special reason, you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks"

See also:
Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack.

Shadow Lodge

Kitty001 wrote:

I have a question about making a standard action as a Level 11 Cat-folk Ninja (Favored class Rogue). My weapons are currently claws (with cat-folk racial weapons Claw Blades (+1))

From what I gathered is that I can do both my main and off-hand attacks but not the secondary attacks that are supposed to follow as stated in my BAB (which is 8/3). Is this correct as an standard action?

My understanding is that iterative attacks and off-hand attacks are only usable as part of a full attack action. You would not get your off-hand attack with a standard action. If I'm wrong someone will come along to correct me :)


Ssalarn wrote:

No. To take any additional attacks, natural or otherwise, you have to be Full Attacking.

"Full Attack
If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough (see Base Attack Bonus in Classes), because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon, or for some special reason, you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks"

See also:
Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack.

Ok, so to be able to-- I must have the Improved Two-weapon fighting feat (prereq: Two-weapon fighting), just that I will have a -5 penalty on my off-hand.

Shadow Lodge

Kitty001 wrote:
Ssalarn wrote:

No. To take any additional attacks, natural or otherwise, you have to be Full Attacking.

"Full Attack
If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough (see Base Attack Bonus in Classes), because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon, or for some special reason, you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks"

See also:
Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack.

Ok, so to be able to-- I must have the Improved Two-weapon fighting feat (prereq: Two-weapon fighting), just that I will have a -5 penalty on my off-hand.

Claw blades are considered a light weapon so if you have improved two weapon fighting you only have -2 to both main and off-hand attacks. So you would be able, with a full attack action, make two main hand attacks and two off hand attacks all at -2.


PatientWolf wrote:
Claw blades are considered a light weapon so if you have improved two weapon fighting. So you only have -2 to both main and off-hand attacks. So you would be able, with a full attack action, make two main hand attacks and two off hand attacks all at -2.

Hmm.. so it would be a bad idea to take it? Since I already have a secondary attack (current BAB 8/3), taking the feat would only benefit me during a standard turn, but during a full-round, it would add negatives.

The Exchange

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

with a +8 bab for 11th level ninja, not accounting for your dex/str whichever you're attacking with you'd have a +6/+1 with your main weapon, and a +6/+1 with your off hand weapon, when full attacking. and you can spend a ki point to gain another attack, at +6.

if you don't TWF that round you can attack with +8/+3, and spend a ki point to get another attack at +8. if you had a +1 frost and a +1 flaming claw blade, you could take the +8 attack with your frost, and your +3 with your flaming, vice versa or both with the same one.

i don't know why i'm talking.

Scarab Sages

So just to clarify: Catfolk Claw Blades are really weird in that they change your normal claw attacks from natural weapons to light slashing weapons. So the rules for natural attacks don't apply at all anymore when you're using claw blades. Normally, you can take a Full Attack with them at -4/-4. So with a base attack bonus of 8/3 you're attacks are 4/-1 main hand claw and 4 off-hand claw. when you take the Two Weapon Fighting feat, those penalties are reduced by 2 so you're now at 6/1 main and 6 off hand. Improved Two Weapon Fighting gives you an extra iterative with your off-hand so you are now at 6/1 Main and 6/1 Off-hand during a Full Attack. If you've moved and can take only a standard action, you will make one attack at +8.

Shadow Lodge

Kitty001 wrote:
PatientWolf wrote:
Claw blades are considered a light weapon so if you have improved two weapon fighting. So you only have -2 to both main and off-hand attacks. So you would be able, with a full attack action, make two main hand attacks and two off hand attacks all at -2.
Hmm.. so it would be a bad idea to take it? Since I already have a secondary attack (current BAB 8/3), taking the feat would only benefit me during a standard turn, but during a full-round, it would add negatives.

No, you have a secondary main hand attack already. You would get no benefit from any of the two weapon fighting feats during a standard action. With improved weapon fighting during a full attack action you would get:

Main hand attack #1 at +6 (+8 BAB - 2 for two weapon fighting)
Main hand attack #2 at +1 (+3 BAB - 2 for two weapon fighting)
Off hand attack #1 at +6 (+8 BAB - 2 for two weapon fighting)
Off hand attack #2 at +1 (+3 BAB - 2 for two weapon fighting)

You get that last off hand attack because of Improved Two Weapon Fighting.

During a standard action you only get Main hand attack #1 ever regardless of what two weapon or other feats you have.

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