Can someone explain how this works?
Especially this poison:
GREEN PRISMATIC POISON
Type poison, spell; SaveFort DC varies by spell
Frequency 1/round for 6 rounds
Initial Effect death;Secondary Effect 1 Condamage; Cure2
consecutive saves.
When, if ever does the Secondary Effect come into play?
-- david
papa.drb
When they pass the first save and fail the others. Would be moot if it was cured on 1 save, but it happens to require 2.
In this case, the secondary damage comes into effect should you make the initial saving throw and survive.
I thought, that if you passed the first save, you never had to make a 2nd save?
-- david
papa.drb
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I thought, that if you passed the first save, you never had to make a 2nd save?
-- david
papa.drb
Only if the poison requires a single saving throw to cure. This particular one requires 2 successful saving throws in a row to cure.
I thought, that if you passed the first save, you never had to make a 2nd save?
-- david
papa.drb
Looks like if you get hit with the green prismatic effect, you receive the poison and you only save against its effects. If you fail the first save, you die. If you fail subsequent saves, you take the con damage. If you make two consecutive saves, or if you survive it for 6 rounds, the poison effect ends.
Sassone leaf residue, blue whinnis and drow poison all have secondary effects with a single save. How does the secondary effect come into play?
Sassone leaf residue, blue whinnis and drow poison all have secondary effects with a single save. How does the secondary effect come into play?
The first save is failed. The number of saves shown on the poison chart are not the total number of saving throws you have to make against the poison, but the total number of saving throws you have to succeed at to stop taking damage from that poison.
Jason said that(GREEN PRISMATIC POISON ) was a rule conflict, and said he would fix it, but so far it never got fixed.
edit:I don't remember what the actual conflict was.
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The conflict is with any affliction you have to make an initial save. If you pass you are not afflicted, if you fail you are afflicted and suffer the primary effect. Then at each interval you make another save to avoid the primary or secondary effect. So:
If you make the initial save vs Prismatic poison you are unaffected.
If you fail the initial save you die.
That's the inconsistancy, there's no way you could ever get to a secondary effect as written because you're dead.
--Toxic Vrock Syndrome
While it is true that a successful save does remove the need to make additional saves, that seems to only apply to afflictions with an onset time. Green prismatic poison doesn't have an onset time, so should be exempt from that. Unless there is another section I'm missing.
Onset: Some afflictions have a variable amount of time before they set in. Creatures that come in contact with an affliction with an onset time must make a saving throw immediately. Success means that the affliction is avoided and no further saving throws must be made. Failure means that the creature has contracted the affliction and must begin making additional saves after the onset period has elapsed. The affliction's effect does not occur until after the onset period has elapsed and then only if further saving throws are failed.
Edit: And of course there was something I overlooked.
From curses to poisons to diseases, there are a number of afflictions that can affect a creature. While each of these afflictions has a different effect, they all function using the same basic system. All afflictions grant a saving throw when they are contracted. If successful, the creature does not suffer from the affliction and does not need to make any further rolls. If the saving throw is a failure, the creature falls victim to the affliction and must deal with its effects.
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Afflictions with onsets are usually diseases or curses. Poisons are quicker.
All afflictions require an initial saving throw when you are exposed. If you fail against non-onset types you take the primary effect immediately, then you make additional saves according to the affliction's frequency.
--School of Vrock
The conflict is with any affliction you have to make an initial save. If you pass you are not afflicted, if you fail you are afflicted and suffer the primary effect. Then at each interval you make another save to avoid the primary or secondary effect. So:
If you make the initial save vs Prismatic poison you are unaffected.
If you fail the initial save you die.That's the inconsistancy, there's no way you could ever get to a secondary effect as written because you're dead.
--Toxic Vrock Syndrome
thanks
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I'm pretty sure the RAI for this is that you attempt the save, if you make it you attempt another. If you fail the second save you take the con damage. If you succeed on the second, nothing happens. At least that's how I see it.
If you make the initial save you are done. You have negated the affliction entirely. Only if you fail the initial save do you need to continue to make saves.
Here's the FAQ on poison from the Blog: I Drank What? This should clear up the confusion.
--Toxic Vrock Syndrome
The prismatic green is a holdover from 3.5 (when you were 'afflicted', regardless of whether you made he initial save or not). Currently it would be very difficult to to take secondary damage from a terroristic spray, but if you were somehow immune to the effects of one poison damage (i.e. Death), then perhaps you could fail, be afflicted, not die (or maybe die and be brought having breath of life!), and have to make the secondary saves.