Ray attacks and point blank shot


Rules Questions


can I add the plus one to attack and damage? it says add it to ranged weapon.. I guess what I am asking is if this is considered a weapon or not.

Grand Lodge

Yes, both Precise Shot, Point Blank Shot, and derivative feats, work wonderfully well with Ray spells.


In fact I think they should work with any spell that requires a ranged attack roll (but that might just be a hold over from 3.5 on my part).


All rays gain the +1 attack bonus from Point Blank Shot. Only rays that deal hit point damage gain the +1 damage bonus from the feat.


cwslyclgh wrote:
In fact I think they should work with any spell that requires a ranged attack roll (but that might just be a hold over from 3.5 on my part).
Point-Blank Shot feat wrote:


You get a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet.

No, it would not work on ranged touch attacks. It requires "weapons", and only rays (and alchemist bombs) count as weapons. And only those rays that deal hitpoint damage are affected by the damage bonus.

Incidentally you can also take weapon focus on rays, same weapon specialization etc. (provided you can fulfill the orther prerequisites of the feat).


Sangalor wrote:
cwslyclgh wrote:
In fact I think they should work with any spell that requires a ranged attack roll (but that might just be a hold over from 3.5 on my part).
Point-Blank Shot feat wrote:


You get a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet.

No, it would not work on ranged touch attacks. It requires "weapons", and only rays (and alchemist bombs) count as weapons. And only those rays that deal hitpoint damage are affected by the damage bonus.

Incidentally you can also take weapon focus on rays, same weapon specialization etc. (provided you can fulfill the orther prerequisites of the feat).

uhmmm.... you did notice that I said I think and but that might just be a hold over from 3.5 on my part right? indicating that it was personal opinion on my part? and where I would have developed that opinion (in 3.5 where all spells that required an attack roll were treated as 'weapon-like' spells)... No need to try to correct my opinion, it will have no effect, your persuade skill is not high enough.


cwslyclgh wrote:
Sangalor wrote:
cwslyclgh wrote:
In fact I think they should work with any spell that requires a ranged attack roll (but that might just be a hold over from 3.5 on my part).
Point-Blank Shot feat wrote:


You get a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet.

No, it would not work on ranged touch attacks. It requires "weapons", and only rays (and alchemist bombs) count as weapons. And only those rays that deal hitpoint damage are affected by the damage bonus.

Incidentally you can also take weapon focus on rays, same weapon specialization etc. (provided you can fulfill the orther prerequisites of the feat).

uhmmm.... you did notice that I said I think and but that might just be a hold over from 3.5 on my part right? indicating that it was personal opinion on my part? and where I would have developed that opinion (in 3.5 where all spells that required an attack roll were treated as 'weapon-like' spells)... No need to try to correct my opinion, it will have no effect, your persuade skill is not high enough.

Whoa, no need to react this way here :-)

You gave an answer and stated that you may be wrong. I merely confirmed you were wrong and added some extra information.
Edit: changed wording

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