Because there are enough that dislike the term that I feel I should respect there choice? Again, it's simply a case of a bad term being used in ignorance, but it makes me more analytical. I'm not saying you can't like the movie, that it's in someway bad, just that it's a crappy choice in name that will make me pay more attention to any other issues in the movie, such as all the non-whjite cast die first would raise a trigger, for example, or the sudden but inevitable betrayal is by a non-white guy. Stuff like that.
I think that many people see them as a sub-set of whites. As such you can't technically be racists against them. Right or wrong, I think that might have some of the reason the issue isn't taken as seriously as using the n-word for example.
I really think there's be some of that feel, but the way everything is shaping up I'm really expecting more of the classic kaiju-flick feel with an undercurrent of Gurren Lagann's "ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER". :D
Yea - I am under the impression it's going that way too. It's just that with Del Toro mining the robot mecha genre so much that I wonder how much of each source he pulled from. Thankfully, it looks like he avoided Eureka Seven as a source.
I blame/credit Toonami for keeping my interest in genre up to date, although the last anime series I really watched in any detail was Gundam 8th MS Team. I would recommend Megas XLR - it's "westernized" take makes me think Pacific Rim may have a similar approach. That and the sheer comedy/parody it does of several anime.
@pres man: Saw that bit on Atlantic Rim. Honestly - I wouldn't be surprised if SyFi bought the movie rights just to show it that opening weekend on TV. That seems to be about the style of movie they love to make.
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I would recommend Megas XLR - it's "westernized" take makes me think Pacific Rim may have a similar approach. That and the sheer comedy/parody it does of several anime.
That, and the DMV Scene is the absolute best thing ever.
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Because there are enough that dislike the term that I feel I should respect there choice? Again, it's simply a case of a bad term being used in ignorance, but it makes me more analytical. I'm not saying you can't like the movie, that it's in someway bad, just that it's a crappy choice in name that will make me pay more attention to any other issues in the movie, such as all the non-whjite cast die first would raise a trigger, for example, or the sudden but inevitable betrayal is by a non-white guy. Stuff like that.
Or it could be an attempt to give positive attention to Roma by naming a kick ass robot for them. Maybe if the robot kidnapped children or stole from people, then there'd be a reason to get up in arms about this...
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I have never heard of any of those.I hate realistic films.+1Is it really an either/or?
You don't like Raging Bull? You hate In The Bedroom? The Ice Storm isn't your cup of tea?
Shame.
Blimey!
Raging Bull is regularly described as one of the finest films ever made.
In the Bedroom is gloriously, painfully realistic.
The Ice Storm explores just how unreal the real world can be.
I'll also throw in Grave of the Fireflies as a wonderful, realistic animated film.
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You guys can think I'm nuts, or over sensitive, or whatever. But the Roma consider Gypsy a slur. They get treated like second class citizens, they were a Nazi target during World War II (Somewhere between 20% and 30% of the Roma Population, an estimated 220,000 were killed during the Holocaust), they are significantly more likely to be raped and attacked just for being Roma, and they ask folks to stop using the word Gypsy? Fine. I can do that. Just like any other racial slur - if it hurts people, I don't use it. I can't imagine we'd even be having this conversation if the jaeger in question was called (Insert N-Word) Danger.
I'm like, 1/8 gypsy (my mother's grandmother was a gypsy), which makes me an official representative of that people - and as a representative, I free you of your duty to eliminate the word "gypsy" from the vocabulary.
Seriously though, I think you are talking to the wrong crowd or, rather, preaching to the choir. I don't think any Roma are in danger of being abused by anyone in this forum.
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My mom used to be called a 'gypsy' by the other side of her family in Europe (who haven't spoken to anyone on this side of the family in about forty years, 'cause, yanno, gypsy), so I kind of appreciate that at least some human beings recognize that gypsy-hate is a real thing and would prefer to be respectful to other human beings.
Keep on fighting the good fight.
As in so many things, if you find that you're on the same side of an issue as Hitler, it's probably best to re-evaluate your position.
Or at least be quiet about it.
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That, and the DMV Scene is the absolute best thing ever.
Oh Yeah! Thumbs for that one!
Or it could be an attempt to give positive attention to Roma by naming a kick ass robot for them. Maybe if the robot kidnapped children or stole from people, then there'd be a reason to get up in arms about this...
It's not impossible, I suppose. But it would be rather like calling a machine (Insert N Word) Danger and only getting angry if was enslaved. Or trying to do a positive portrayal using a jaeger called Yellow Peril.
I'm like, 1/8 gypsy (my mother's grandmother was a gypsy), which makes me an official representative of that people - and as a representative, I free you of your duty to eliminate the word "gypsy" from the vocabulary.Seriously though, I think you are talking to the wrong crowd or, rather, preaching to the choir. I don't think any Roma are in danger of being abused by anyone in this forum.
Honestly, I had no intention of preaching. I noticed the name in Mikaze's post, it bugged, so I mentioned it. Someone asked me to explain, I did. I didn't think so many people would be quite so bothered by me...well, not wanting to use a word the people it refers to find offensive.
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Or it could be an attempt to give positive attention to Roma by naming a kick ass robot for them. Maybe if the robot kidnapped children or stole from people, then there'd be a reason to get up in arms about this...It's not impossible, I suppose. But it would be rather like calling a machine (Insert N Word) Danger and only getting angry if was enslaved. Or trying to do a positive portrayal using a jaeger called Yellow Peril.
Honestly, I had no intention of preaching. I noticed the name in Mikaze's post, it bugged, so I mentioned it. Someone asked me to explain, I did. I didn't think so many people would be quite so bothered by me...well, not wanting to use a word the people it refers to find offensive.
I'm like, 1/8 gypsy (my mother's grandmother was a gypsy), which makes me an official representative of that people - and as a representative, I free you of your duty to eliminate the word "gypsy" from the vocabulary.Seriously though, I think you are talking to the wrong crowd or, rather, preaching to the choir. I don't think any Roma are in danger of being abused by anyone in this forum.
How dare you be sensitive to an issue I wasn't aware of!
You must be making a mistake. Why? Because I am super-sensitive, oh, and I really want to like this film.
How dare you sully my enjoyment of this film with your damn sensitivity and knowledge!
You must be wrong, for I know all!
Must defend film I like, must defend film I like, must defend film I like, must defend, must defend, must defend...
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Bloody gyppos, check your locks when the carnis are in town. Better buy some lucky heather off the gyppos or they'll curse you...
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I didn't think so many people would be quite so bothered by me...well, not wanting to use a word the people it refers to find offensive.
The thing is, as far as I know, it's only a minority of Roma that find the word offensive. And if we start striking words from the language that someone finds offensive, regardless of how few find it to be offensive, we'll rapidly lose the ability to communicate entirely.
I have never heard of any of those.I hate realistic films.+1Is it really an either/or?
You don't like Raging Bull? You hate In The Bedroom? The Ice Storm isn't your cup of tea?
Shame.
Blimey!
Raging Bull is regularly described as one of the finest films ever made.
In the Bedroom is gloriously, painfully realistic.
The Ice Storm explores just how unreal the real world can be.
I'll also throw in Grave of the Fireflies as a wonderful, realistic animated film.
I can tell you straight off the bat that I probably won't like Raging Bull because I tend to be unable to stand sports-themed movies. I don't like sports IRL, why would I spend 2 hours watching a movie about them?
The second one has me leery because of the title. Reading a summary of the third has more than enough mentions of sex to turn me off any interest.
I have however seen Grave of the Fireflies and it is tragic. Extremely well-done, but not the kind of movie I would watch more than once. I can only take so much tragedy.
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I have never heard of any of those.I hate realistic films.+1Is it really an either/or?
You don't like Raging Bull? You hate In The Bedroom? The Ice Storm isn't your cup of tea?
Shame.
Blimey!
Raging Bull is regularly described as one of the finest films ever made.
In the Bedroom is gloriously, painfully realistic.
The Ice Storm explores just how unreal the real world can be.
I'll also throw in Grave of the Fireflies as a wonderful, realistic animated film.
I can tell you straight off the bat that I probably won't like Raging Bull because I tend to be unable to stand sports-themed movies. I don't like sports IRL, why would I spend 2 hours watching a movie about them?
I know Raging Bull, and it's a classic, but I had not heard of the other two. I tend to avoid drama with a Capital D movies, with a few exceptions. I prefer well written action movies with drama and heart - at most 1 or 2 a year (I loved Perks of Being a Wallflower).
As to sports movies- I hate most sports. I've never seen a full game of baseball or basketball (and that is combining all the time I have seen either sport). I used to watch football 20 years ago.
But sports movies are something I love. Sorta weird that way.
But realistic movies - I spend my life in the real world - when I go to a movie I want to escape the real world, so I see no reason to go to one that would just bring me back into it. Give me Fantasy, SF or over the top Action anytime.
Michael Bay was able to do decent looking daytime CGI giant robot fights with the transformers movies, why can't they do it with this movie?
They mostly come out at night. Mostly.
Michael Bay was able to do decent looking daytime CGI giant robot fights with the transformers movies, why can't they do it with this movie?
He did? When was that? I could never follow a damned thing of what was happening during any of those fights - too busy being motion-sick from the camera-work. :(
(Hell, if I was a suspicious soul, I'd wonder if Bay deliberately did that to hide the flaws in the CGI.... :-X)
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What if you're using the word "gypsy" to be racist against Travellers and not Roma and Sinti? 'Cuz I don't think Hitler ever weighed in on the Travellers issue.
Got my ticket for Sat Morning.
And when I last looked it was at 85% at rotten tomatoes - I think that is the highest of a Summer Blockbuster movie this year.
Meh. MoM was never gonna happen under del Toro. As much as I like the few projects he HAS finished, he's pretty notorious for talking about a project, dilly-dallying around without actually doing anything about it for years, and then dropping it. I don't blame Prometheus, I blame del Toro's inaction.
At any rate, I think the story is pretty damned unfilmable, anyhow. 95% of the "story" from the novel is interpretation from bas-reliefs left by the Elder Things.
Too true, and don't forget the grueling verbal/written descriptions of them.
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Went and saw the film this evening. Thoroughly enjoyed myself.
Let's get the bad out of the way: the plot is merely serviceable, the dialogue carved from the finest Gouda, and the characters so over-the-top you can't help but laugh.
Ah, I can't get mad at it. It's a film about giant mechs punching giant monsters, and it delivers on that front like a rocket-propelled fist to the noggin. It's just one tremendous love-letter to all things stompy. I haven't seen a whole lot of mech-filled anime, but I've seen enough to enjoy the homage.
I mean, the characters need to be OTT because they're vying for space with the most colourful and glorious scenes of demolition I've seen in a film.
It's just a good, FUN film. I'm keen to go see it again.
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the dialogue carved from the finest Gouda, and the characters so over-the-top you can't help but laugh.It's everything I dreamed of... :O
I'm going to try and go see it this Saturday if I don't have to work.
It's just a good, FUN film. I'm keen to go see it again.
Saturday will be the day for me then. Cheers!
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I also can't wait to see this film. Have been absorbing background info since it was announced. Mikaze - thanks for the spoiler warnings, I'll not go near TV Tropes until after...
20th July is the earliest I can go, so everyone can feel smug relative to me this weekend :-)
Other points:
I watch Drama on my TV, I watch blockbusters at the cinema. That's my only criteria.
Gipsy got me worried for a bit (not for myself, but that the British press might try to stir up trouble for the film in getting some sensitive types frothing at the mouth over it - I don't mean you Jon) but I think after looking at Wikipedia the name is acceptable and non-pejorative in the context of the film's style (HMS Gipsy, Gipsy-class destroyer, General Intensional Programming System) and in modern media in general (Gipsy Kings) so I'm not worried now.
And nukes WERE used before Jaegers were invented, but repeated usage for monster after monster just does not work.
And now I have to add another word to my spell-checker. No, not Intensional - I doubt I'll use that one again.
Still not seen the rocket punch trailer - determined look tonight!
Going to see this on friday... completely stoked.
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uh yeah I will be going to see Jax Teller pilot a voltron with the voice of GLaDOS against cloverfields
that is like if you took chocolate and peanut butter and combined them with beer and alligator wrestling in a monster truck
oh wait been there done that
still going to see this movie
Prometheus: regardless of what any one person might think about the movie, the studio's apparently greenlit the sequel since Prometheus did quite well at the box office.
The presumed sequel they teed up in the first film. Egads, I hate it when (most) films do that...
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D'oh! Still two days away here. Blast your early showings, ubiquitous!
Got to have some perks for living in the country that's most likely to be completely annihilated if giant monsters ever rise out of the Pacific Ocean.
I was on the fence, but it's been pointed out that if this is massive, then we'll likely be seeing a lot more giant mecha movies. So if you ever wanted a big budget GUNDAM/ROBOTECH-MACROSS/PATLABOR/EVANGELION movie, supporting this might be the way forwards.
Personally, I want to see a sequel in which Idris Elba and Ron Perlman co-pilot a mecha and cause so much awesome destruction the Earth spins off its axis.
D'oh! Still two days away here. Blast your early showings, ubiquitous!Got to have some perks for living in the country that's most likely to be completely annihilated if giant monsters ever rise out of the Pacific Ocean.
Yeah, about the only thing that would save us would be the fact that there’s almost nothing here worth a kaiju’s attention. :rolleyes:
I’ve got tomorrow off, and I’m angling to hit a 2:15p.m. 3D viewing (that’s about twenty-five hours from now). If I like it enough, I may swing straight back around and watch the 5:30 2D showing, just like people did for Star Wars back in the day. :D
D'oh! Still two days away here. Blast your early showings, ubiquitous!
Please let there be a Bright Slap in there somewhere.
not just yeah. Hells yeah.
Michael Bay was able to do decent looking daytime CGI giant robot fights with the transformers movies, why can't they do it with this movie?He did? When was that? I could never follow a damned thing of what was happening during any of those fights - too busy being motion-sick from the camera-work. :(
(Hell, if I was a suspicious soul, I'd wonder if Bay deliberately did that to hide the flaws in the CGI.... :-X)
quiet you. Without that movie there's a damn good chance this one would not have been made. Didn't care for the sequels but loved the first one.
I really think there's be some of that feel, but the way everything is shaping up I'm really expecting more of the classic kaiju-flick feel with an undercurrent of Gurren Lagann's "ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER". :DYea - I am under the impression it's going that way too. It's just that with Del Toro mining the robot mecha genre so much that I wonder how much of each source he pulled from. Thankfully, it looks like he avoided Eureka Seven as a source.
I blame/credit Toonami for keeping my interest in genre up to date, although the last anime series I really watched in any detail was Gundam 8th MS Team. I would recommend Megas XLR - it's "westernized" take makes me think Pacific Rim may have a similar approach. That and the sheer comedy/parody it does of several anime.
@pres man: Saw that bit on Atlantic Rim. Honestly - I wouldn't be surprised if SyFi bought the movie rights just to show it that opening weekend on TV. That seems to be about the style of movie they love to make.
as much as I love gundam(08 ms team!!), I didn't care for eureka seven.
I am seeing it tomorrow. Got the 3d s showing and everything.
As much as I love gundam(08 ms team!!), I didn't care for eureka seven.
That was my point with sarcasm. Ugh...Eureka Seven. It's the like the Baywatch of mecha anime (and that's not a good thing).
Actually eureka seven has a *lot* of original 0079 gundam references.
Describing anything as 'Baywatch of (X)' is not a good thing...
Except possibly porn...