Scion of Humanity Aasimar, Reincarnated.

[blackbloodtroll]

Do Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity alternate racial trait count as humanoid, or outsider, for the purposes of Reincarnate, and the table used?

[LazarX]

For me, reincarnate means that everything that's old race dependent gets erased and replaced with whatever comes with the new package. It's just so much simpler that way.

[blackbloodtroll]

I don't know what you mean.

[LazarX]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

I don't know what you mean.

It means that when you use the reincarnate spell, nothing that pertains to your old race matters when you're dealing with the end product. I remove all racial modifiers, all race dependent abilities, and skill bonuses, and then put in the relvant ones based on the new race.

[blackbloodtroll]

That changes nothing about the spell. There is really nothing you are saying that changes anything about the spell.

The table, in reincarnate, is for humanoids, but when the spell is used on a creature of a different type, then you use a different table.
It states so in the spell.

Humanoids reincarnate as Humanoids, and Outsiders reincarnate as Outsiders.

[LazarX]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

That changes nothing about the spell. There is really nothing you are saying that changes anything about the spell.

The table, in reincarnate, is for humanoids, but when the spell is used on a creature of a different type, then you use a different table.
It states so in the spell.

Humanoids reincarnate as Humanoids, and Outsiders reincarnate as Outsiders.

As far as I know there are no tables for anything but Humanoids i.e. player character races. And you can't raise or reincarnate most true Outsiders anyway. (Native Outsiders like planetouched, are treated as humanoids)

[Shin Bilirubin]

Firstly, non-native outsiders can't be reincarnated. Secondly, the difference in the list used is between humanoid and non-humanoid creatures, of which an Aasimar is humanoid, and uses the normal list.

Edit: I've just realised the difference between the subtype Humanoid and the general term humanoid. Since Aasimar have 1 head, 2 arms and 2 legs, I'd use the normal list, but RAW you're free to build your own list if you so desire.

[blackbloodtroll]

Aasimar are Outsider(Native), and are capable of being Reincarnated.

Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity with this alternate racial trait count as an outsider (native) and a humanoid (human) for any effect related to race, including feat prerequisites and spells that affect humanoids.

[Umbranus]

I HR that you use the normal List but replace the human entry with the original race (and vice versa if possible)
So a gnoll would exchange the gnoll and human entires making it more likely to come back as a gnoll that as a human (human is the most likely result).
An Aasimar would just replace human with aasimar. That leads to the strange fact, that ununsual races can't become humans but that's better than having no chance to come back as their original race.

[Umbranus]

At topic: I don't think there is any RAW on this, so every rule used would be a HR.

[blackbloodtroll]

I was looking to put together a Reincarnated Druid(the archetype) Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity alternate racial trait.

[Dust Raven]

I would say an aasimar with scion of humanity would use the table for reincarnate as a humanoid (human), as there is no available table for outsider (native) creatures.

If reincarnate were to be used on an assimar without scion of humanity (or any other outsider (native) a new table would need to be created by the GM. There are no real guidelines for this, the GM just uses his best judgement.