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Dark Archive

I'm sure this has been covered before, but most of the stuff I've found using the search function breaks down into arguments that have very recently been officially clarified.

1. Is the Temple Sword in the 'monk weapons group'? I would assume that it is, but it's not explicitly listed as such in ultimate combat. I'm mostly wondering for purposes of Sohei.

2. If I wield a Temple Sword in two hands, how does this interact with Flurry of blows? Do I get STR 1.5 on the base damage, or just STR? If I power attack, do I get the increased damage damage like a two handed weapon when I'm flurrying?

3. Can I wield two temple swords, one in each hand, and flurry of blows at the normal FoB penalties?


Not sure about 1, but for 2, no, Flurry of Blows says you get full strength no matter what--however, you would get two-handed weapon power attack bonuses

Sczarni

1. Not sure
2. If you Flurry with a Temple sword in 2 hands you get 1xSTR mod, but 3:1 on Power Attack. Now, the real question is can you use the Temple Sword 2 handed for ALL of your FoB attacks or do you have to alternate with kicks, knees or head buts? Not sure, but the good news is your UAS will get 1xSTR and 2:1 on Power Attack. That's something that other classes don't get when they TWF (the better Power Attack bonuses).
3. Yes. If you go this route you get 1xSTR on each attack and 2:1 Power Attack on each attack on account that monks don't have off-hands.


I houserule it requires the Exotic Weapon proficiency feat because it is a d8 weapon when all the other monk weapons are d6 at best.

Scarab Sages

If you look at the temple sword in the APG chart, you will see that it is an exotic weapon with the monk property. This means that you can use it with flurry of blows, but that it still requires the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat to use. However, it also specifically says in the weapon description that monks are proficient with it. This is not always the case.
As others already clarified, any weapon used as part of a flurry of blows only does 1x STR damage, regardless of whether it's used in one or two hands. Thanks to the recent FAQ clarification, you could make all of your FoB attacks with the one weapon wielded in both hands, or you could easily use a temple sword in each hand, the same way you could use a kama in each hand and attack with either during a flurry. Wielding two weapons would not give you any additional attacks outside those already granted by flurry.

Grand Lodge

Monks are proficient with the Temple Sword.

1) Yes.

2) Only x1 Stength, but bonus from Power Attack.

3) Yes, but two handing one, and using it for all attacks is better.

Also, see this FAQ.

Sczarni

@BBT: Thanks for the FAQ link - I hadn't seen that yet!

Victor - with that in mind never do option 3, only do 2. The new FAQ is a game changer for the Monk! The 3:1 return from Power Attack is a way bigger boost to your damage then only getting 1xSTR mod is a penalty.

Silver Crusade

Monks are proficient with the temple sword.

From the PRD:
Weapon Proficiency: Monks are proficient with the brass knuckles, cestus, club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shortspear, short sword, shuriken, siangham, sling, spear and temple sword.


The temple sword is one of the few weapons which a monk is proficient in that is not in the original list in core. If you read the description of the temple sword you will see that it give the monk proficiency in it.

Dark Archive

Could I get a link or reference to where the temple sword is listed as in the monk weapon group for purposes of the fighter weapon training ability? Planning on using this idea in PFS, so I gotta be able to back up my claims.

Silver Crusade

Page 25, Humans of Golarion in the section Human Weapons. It is listed as both being in the heavy sword group and the monk weapon group.


Victor Zajic wrote:


1. Is the Temple Sword in the 'monk weapons group'? I would assume that it is, but it's not explicitly listed as such in ultimate combat. I'm mostly wondering for purposes of Sohei.

For the sohei it doesn't matter if it is in the monk weapon group. The sohei can use all weapons with the monk special weapon property.

Dark Archive

Sohei's get the fighters Weapon Training ability at level 6, but with restricted choices, and heavy blades isn't on the list.

What I really want to do is flurry with a naginata, but I can't think of a way to pull that off.


Well, with a level of cleric and Crusader's Flurry you can use your deity's favored weapon to flurry. None of the Golarion gods have a naginata as a favored weapon as far as I know, but Shelyn favors the glaive. That's fairly close.

Silver Crusade

The sohei can choose to take weapon training with the monk group at 6th level (along with the bows, crossbows, polearms, spears, and thrown weapons group) and the temple sword is in that group. It happens to also be in the heavy swords weapon group. I listed both for the sake of completion in the previous post because that's what listed on page 25 in Humans of Golarion.

EDIT: The naginata is listed in the polearm group. There's your way to flurry with it.

Dark Archive

I somehow missed that Sohei could flurry with their weapon group.

Scarab Sages

Umbranus wrote:
Victor Zajic wrote:


1. Is the Temple Sword in the 'monk weapons group'? I would assume that it is, but it's not explicitly listed as such in ultimate combat. I'm mostly wondering for purposes of Sohei.
For the sohei it doesn't matter if it is in the monk weapon group. The sohei can use all weapons with the monk special weapon property.

That's not strictly true. The Sohei is proficient with all martial and simple weapons. Weapons like the Emei Piercer, Nine-Section Whip, and Fighting Fan still require the EWP feat, even though they have the monk property.


Sorry, I mixed something up because I once played a sohei/unarmed fighter. It was the unarmed fighter who gets profeciency in all monk weapons.
I should go back to looking stuff up before I answer.

Scarab Sages

Umbranus wrote:

Sorry, I mixed something up because I once played a sohei/unarmed fighter. It was the unarmed fighter who gets profeciency in all monk weapons.

I should go back to looking stuff up before I answer.

No worries, we've all done the same thing.

Except Grick.

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