Darkwood Darts?


Rules Questions

Sczarni

Can you make darts out of Darkwood material? I don't see why it couldn't be made.

Am I right to presume they would cost 5gp per dart and retain the masterwork property.


You can make it from darkwood, but the price is wrong.

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To determine the price of a darkwood item, use the original weight but add 10 gp per pound to the price of a masterwork version of that item.

A masterwork dart costs 300gp, 5sp. So a darkwood dart costs 305gp, 5sp. IT would still be masterwork, as all darkwood items are masterwork items.

Sczarni

Aaaah, busted.

I knew it was too good to be true.

Additional question: They cannot be made of cold iron? It's poking me why can't you make metal darts.


You should be able to make cold iron darts, as well.

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Items without metal parts cannot be made from cold iron. An arrow could be made of cold iron, but a quarterstaff could not. A double weapon with one cold iron half costs 50% more than normal.

I've always imagined darts as something similar to an arrow or crossbow bolt, though bigger. If an arrow can be made from cold iron, so should a dart.

A cold iron dart would cost 1gp, or 301gp for a masterwork cold iron dart.


Isn't a dart considered ammunition? Masterwork ammunition follows different rules for calculating costs.

Masterwork darts are 6.5gp. Darkwood is 10gp per pound added to that. Darts are .5 lbs, so that's 5gp + 6.5gp = 11.5gp per darkwood dart.


Foghammer wrote:

Isn't a dart considered ammunition? Masterwork ammunition follows different rules for calculating costs.

Masterwork darts are 6.5gp. Darkwood is 10gp per pound added to that. Darts are .5 lbs, so that's 5gp + 6.5gp = 11.5gp per darkwood dart.

No. Darts are not ammunition, but thrown weapons. The only thrown weapon that is considered ammunition (At least in the core rulebook) are shurikens, because they specifically say so in the description.

Edit: Unless we are talking about blowgun darts.

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Ammunition: Projectile weapons use ammunition: arrows (for bows), bolts (for crossbows), darts (for blowguns), or sling bullets (for slings and halfling sling staves). When using a bow, a character can draw ammunition as a free action; crossbows and slings require an action for reloading (as noted in their descriptions). Generally speaking, ammunition that hits its target is destroyed or rendered useless, while ammunition that misses has a 50% chance of being destroyed or lost.

Although they are thrown weapons, shuriken are treated as ammunition for the purposes of drawing them, crafting masterwork or otherwise special versions of them, and what happens to them after they are thrown.

Mentions shurikens, but nothing else.

Edit: It does mention blowgun darts, but those are not the same thing as thrown darts.

Sczarni

@Jeraa
Isn't it 10 sp actually, double cost of 5 sp per dart is 10 sp.

I am still sceptical if I can buy Cold Iron darts. It's for PFS, so it needs to be legit.


10 silver pieces is the same as 1 gold piece.

Sczarni

OMG, Ignore that. Nobody saw that silly question.

Not enough coffie.


And because I just noticed something (and so edited a post above), are we talking about the thrown weapon dart, or the blowgun dart? My answers are for the thrown weapon dart.


You are correct. Darts are not called out as ammunition the same way shuriken are. d20PFSRD.com has them under the ammunition heading though.

They should be ammunition. Who the hell is ever going to use them otherwise?

EDIT: Same. I'm talking about throwing darts. I forgot about blowgun darts. In the case of blowgun darts, they would indeed be 11.5gp each, as I calculated. I thought the thrown ones were ammo, too.

Sczarni

@Jeraa
Thrown of course. I would mention if they were blowgun ones.


Foghammer wrote:
EDIT: Same. I'm talking about throwing darts. I forgot about blowgun darts. In the case of blowgun darts, they would indeed be 11.5gp each, as I calculated. I thought the thrown ones were ammo, too.

No they wouldn't. Blowgun darts come in stacks of 10, for 5 silver, and have no apparent weight. Since they have no weight, and darkwood is priced by weight of the original object, you can't determine the price of a darkwood blowgun dart.

You can determine the cost of a masterwork blowgun dart though. That would cost 6gp, 5 copper. Making it darkwood would add a negligable cost to that.

Sczarni

I would be glad if few more people would confirm that you can make Cold Iron Darts, just to be sure.

Thanks on all answers Jeraa. Big hugs.


Damn. I should stop getting online first thing in the morning.

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